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>> This is the February tense

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meeting of the Fairfax County
planning Commission. And we

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welcome you to our public
hearing. I will now read the

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following statement regarding
our procedures necessary to
conduct a virtual meeting

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during this time as result of
the covid-19 pandemic.

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To conduct this meeting wholly

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electronically into Both the

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emergency procedures.
Authorized by foia and the
emergency ordinance. This

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commission needs to make sure
and findings and the

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terminations for the record.
First because each of each

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member of the planning

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Commission is participating in
this meeting from a

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separate location. The measure

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verify that a core members is
participating and that each

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member's voice is clear audible

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and then appropriate volume for
all members accordingly.
I'm going to conduct a roll

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call and ask each commissioner
participating in this meeting

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just state your name and the
location from which you're

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participating. I asked you need
to pay close attention to
ensure that you you could hear

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each other each of your
colleagues.

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Following this roll call.
We will vote to establish every

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member. You can hear every

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other member. Commissioner
ulfelder.

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>> Yes, John ulfelder the
dranesville district

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supervisor's office
commissioner Sargeant.

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>> Commissioner Sargeant at
the number to district

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supervisor's office.

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>> Commissioner strandlie.

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Commissioner strandlie at my

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home in the nation district.

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Commissioner Carter.

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>> John I'm build a strict

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office commissioner goner.

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Commissioner Clarke.

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As commissioner
niedzielski-eichner.
>> Commissioner. That's just

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the right here at the

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Providence district office

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commissioner Spain.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Mission is

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staying at the sully district
>> Commissioner and that Miss

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Him home office commissioner

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Bennett.
>> And commissioner every here

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at conference room 11 in the
government.
At this point. I will pass the

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virtual gavel to vice Chairman

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Will further said I May make

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the requisite motion.
I moved to planning Commission

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certified for the record that
each member's voice May be
adequately heard by each other.

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Member of this commission.
And I sit on the group.

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Commissioner Sargeant seconds.
>> It's been moved and
seconded. You've heard the

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motion all in favor. Please

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say aye.
Any opposed that motion passed.
Thank you. Second having
established that each member's

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voice May be heard by every
other member.
>> We must next. Establish the

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nature of the emergency that
compels these emergency

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procedures. The fact that we
are meeting electronically what

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time of the electronic
communication is being used
and how we have a range for

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public access to this meeting.
Therefore I move that the
planning Commission certified

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that the state is very juicy.

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Caused by the covid-19 pandemic
makes it unsafe for the
planning Commission to

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physically assemble and unsafe
for applicants and the public
to physically attend any such

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meeting in person. And that
as such an in person meeting

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can not be implemented safely

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or practically. I further move
to the planning condition
Commission conduct this meeting

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electronically to the county's
video conferencing system and
that the public May access this

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meeting by watching channel 16
or its

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live stream a listen to a live

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audio of this meeting at 7 '03,
3 to 4, 5300.
And May participate in public

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areas, bike to the public
hearing by telephone,
by youtube video submission

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or by written testimony and
Isobel.

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>> Commissioner Sargeant
seconds.
>> It's been moved and

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seconded. All in favor say aye.
Opposed that
motion passed.
>> Thank you. Finally, I move

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that the planning Commission
certified that
all matters addressed on

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today's agenda, concerned the
emergency itself. And that's a

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sorry for the continuity in
Fairfax
County government under the

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ordinance adopted by the Board

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of Supervisors on May 1220, 20

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and or or within the purview of
amendment 28 to House bill 29
has approved by the governor

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on 4/24/2020 and it was so
moved.

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>> Commissioner Sargeant
seconds.

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>> It's been moved and seconded

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all in favor say aye.
>> That motion passes. Thank

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you very much. Before we go
into a
public hearing.

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>> There are for Commission
business. Now, first I

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recognize commissioner
Sargeant.

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>> Thank you, Mister Chairman.

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The first issue
this evening meeting move

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minutes as you know, the
1/28/2021 planning Commission

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meeting planning commissioners
were reminded that they had

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received copies of the meeting
summaries from the planning

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Commission meetings in July
September and October of

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2020 commissioners were asked
to review the summaries and
anticipation of the motion to

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approve story. This evening's
meeting.

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With that Mister Chairman.
I move approval of the meeting.

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Minutes for the following days

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in 2020 July 8th July 15, July,
July 29 September,

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16 September 17th September
23rd and October 7th October.

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14, October 21st and October

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28th and I salute.
>> Commissioner
fought server.
>> Seconded by commissioner

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Clarke. Is there discussion of

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the motion. All those in favor

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of the motion say aye.

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Opposed motion karisch.
Commissioner, thank you.

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Mister Chair. You want to make
another motion
commissioner Sargeant.

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>> Yes. Thank you, Mister This
evening. We have scheduled both

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a public hearing on proposed
changes relating to flag

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and flagpole as the decision
for the new modernize zoning

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ordinance for which we have the
public hearing on
January. 28 and we'll follow up

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question and answer session

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with staff on February 3rd.
In response to some questions

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that we have received about

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that February. 3rd question and
answer session. I want to note

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that the questions the staff
red were provided by the

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planning commissioners and not

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developed by staff.
Now in order to allow time for
all the commissioners to review

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and consider the testimony that

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we will hear tonight on flags
and
5 holes. I tend to defer the

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decision on those changes until

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February. 24.
Also, we are continuing to
receive and consider comments

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on the new modernized zoning
ordinance has proposed and I
intend to defer the decision

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on the ordinance until February
24 as well. The flying pie hole

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changes will be integrated with
the overall ordinance for the

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public fury when it goes before

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the Board of Supervisors.
So Mister My first motion

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this evening. I move to defer
the decision for the proposed

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new modernized ordinance with
a certain of February 24th
2021. But the record for being

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open for written testimony.

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>> Who seconded commissioner
strandlie.

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>> Yeah. I wanted many. Yes.
Okay. That.
>> All those in favor of the

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motion as articulated by
commissioner

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Sargeant. Yeah. Say I was

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Chairman. Yes, my question go

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ahead. I'm sorry. Commissioner
>> commissioner the you start

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off your stay with a knowledge

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but that the questions that
were asked of the session last

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week. Were those generated by

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fellow commissioners. Have
those questions then posted on

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our Web site at worthy of

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planning division of
and The same on website.

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>> All the 1st half for the

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response.

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Is it possible.

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Possible. Mister Chairman or of
a commissioner

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Sargeant that no, you can we
posed those questions but also

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a thumbnail response of staff

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to the questions that were
raised.
>> I she was prepared about

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is that case? You could you

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give us an update.
>> Questions to a part of the
planning Commission. So I'm not

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sure they have posted them to
any of your all's

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websites apps and we have You

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we we actually don't have.

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Back and review that tape to

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summarize our responses.

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Question raised with regard to
both process
in content. I wonder if it

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wouldn't be viable go through

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that exercise. I posed that

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I'm not.

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I'm not as strong as it before.
But it is
important that. Probably

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recognize that the questions

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that
were generated my commissioners

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and that this was done so that
we can

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go to and efficient process of
consideration of the various

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matters with the public and in
particular phrase.

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You know, even with the

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questions that we posed.
Prior to the meeting to

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facilitate efficiency.

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Conversations. Still, this is
what I was 6 hour or so the

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extended conversation. And so.

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To ask the public to they go

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back

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and review the full 6 hour tape

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maybe if assault 8, that pie,
just ask the

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staff to to do with if the

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thumbnail response.
Generate interest then does the

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public and Preston after
segment of the conversation.

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And listen in on all that and

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more detail.
>> Commissioner jobs. Governor

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certainly appreciate that the
issue of the approach of the
issue of transparency what we

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can do work with staff. I'm

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sure there are concerns about
abbreviated. Some those let me

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work with staff and see what
we can do to provide

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information and get get close

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to getting it back to with
an update.
>> Thought. Mister Started

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commissioner Sargeant maybe

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just the identification of the
place on
the tape or on, you know, the

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location on the video where
that question

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was addressed a salty public's

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ability to kind
of access if they have taken an
interest to your question
was raised. It doesn't. Then

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you were on the tape. They have
to go to listen in on that
conversation. I'm open to

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possible if I just think it

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would be helpful to
the public. They have more kind
of a heart away to access that

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very dense. An extended

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conversation.
>> Understand. Let me see what
we can do to move that forward

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is came back with everybody
with an answer.

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>> What I would point out that
public hearing we received a

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number of questions and
statements from
the public. The work, the

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subject of questions we posed
on

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the 3rd so there's a whole
bunch of questions out there.

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That will raise were discussed

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on February 3rd, I think the
major

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ones were, but I'm not
everything was. And I you know,

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you people You know, you don't

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get answers to those questions

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is point.

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>> Well, commissioner ulfelder
and commissioner to just, you

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know, what we can certainly try

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to do your to talk. To your
point is even go back and some

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rises. Many of those responses

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as possible or find a way to
as commissioner Jessica,

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I suggested I like them within
the within the audio tape rolls
so they're going to your 5.

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A lot of the response for you
and try to get back with a

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weather update is quickly as

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possible. Thank you. As a
Commissioner ulfelder.
>> Yeah, I'm fine. I mean, I i
think giving it some thought

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for a couple of weeks. Is that.

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I said been more time. I

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thought that there
should be. Develops responses

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to a call of questions and

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issues that have been raised

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particularly public
and meetings. To be put out.

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So people can see the comment
further on that. They

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want to. But yeah, I that's

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a big undertaking. It would

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require a lot more time and

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therefore it's really not
possible. This state.

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>> Certainly one of the reasons
for deferral is is to because

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we do have so much information

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we have received so many
questions. I for
consideration. So let's see

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what we can do to get that
information
available. And we went into

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this process and will try but

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update us what
was possible.

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>> Commissioner Let's say we
do have a very robust list of

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frequently asked questions on

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units based businesses. We love
a lot with staff responses and

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include different charts and

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diagrams to help explain
the different changes

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communicate with those with
additional
>> would it be possible to

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understand that the list of
frequently asked questions.

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You think.
>> Sure we get everybody.
We can look at the testimony

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you know, the comments and see
if there are additional
patients up that work included

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honor and thank yous list at

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anything that May be relevant.

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>> Thank you very much. We'll
continue working on Mister
Chairman. We have the motion on

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the floor regarding the for all
of the so the government's
consideration to a February

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24th with the record remaining
open for written testimony.

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And we I believe we have a
second. Yeah. Yes,
we did.

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>> All right. Fathers, seconded
the motion all those does
anymore discussed all those in

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favor of the motion is executed
by commissioner Sargeant say
aye aye opposed motion carries

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and want to take this time and
money here to work. Thank
commissioner Sargeant invented

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and our staff are doing a great
job
so far. We know it ain't over

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yet. But so far you've been
doing a great job.

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Commissioner Carter. I believe

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you have the motion.

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>> This is a different motion

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for prc. Dishy test.

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0, 2, 0, 0, 2, All of that.
Just an
l c Mister Chairman. I move

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that the planning Commission to
for the public hearing

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for prc cee dash 0, 0, dash
0, 2, scheduled

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for tonight marched right for
twenty-twenty
request for additional time to

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finalize this application

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segment.
>> seconded by commissioner.
Jessica eichner is there

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discussion of the motion.
All those in favor of motion

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as articulated by commissioner
I. Opposed
motion carries commissioner
ulfelder. Would you like to

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announce the meeting for

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tomorrow night. The committee

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meeting.

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>> Yeah. A huge process review
tomorrow evening.
>> And it's the subject matter

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is the what is it will look

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what farms.
Historic overlay district We'll

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be hearing from staff up the

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steps that proposal.

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>> Thank you very much. And
just let the will that be
virtual or not. Yes.

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Yes. So so the public would be

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able to watch
right.
>> And if it happens that we

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have to postpone the meeting

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because of snow. It will be
listed on Channel 16 with a

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ribbon announcement for about a
couple hours before the
scheduled hearings. Right.

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We don't know what's going to
happen tomorrow.

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Except they will be tomorrow

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for that.

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>> I session funds. Go toward
tomorrow's meeting is on the

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right. Go out to dinner if

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historic overlay district.

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>> Okay.
>> Already thanks to a

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clarification. Just one
administrative
announcement and they will

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remain nameless. But some of

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our planning commissioners have

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not submitted the committee for
a preference forms to jail.
If you could do that as soon as

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possible. Like maybe tomorrow,

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we really would appreciate it,
ok. Thank you very much.

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All right. Is there any other
Commission business.

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If not, we do have one public
hearing this evening. Izzy much

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zoning ordinance, binders Asian
flags inflatables May we have a

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staff report, and Bishop,

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please.
>> Yes. Good Current Bishop and

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Sony administrator shunned.

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I'm joined here by the judge.
Station and Leslie Johnson Sony
administrator. So we just have

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a few of his life like to
present to you tonight. A

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proposed changes to lax and

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black holes.

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Currently the zoning ordinance
does allow up to 3 flags her

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lot. But it's so important just

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not have any and it does not

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have any height limits for

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black holes. Black holes are

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also exempt from the location
in the front yard. So they are

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allowed to be anywhere in your

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front yard. But in your side or
rear yard. They are subject

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same location. Regulations
other freestanding

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accessory structures now like

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signs live regulations do need

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to be content neutral.
Polls are available for

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purchase to help wide variety

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of sizes of Heights. I
typically the flag size is

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proportional to the height of
the flagpoles information that

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you see here on the slide.
This is about more.

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Online sources. Great purchase
flags

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and Kohl's. We found that a
light pole up to

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25 feet high. It's the most.
It's recommended in association
with single-family dwellings.

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And we have found examples of

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black holes and the range of 20

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to 25 feet. With single-family
dwellings here in

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the county. Yeah. Not
residential uses often have

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taller flagpoles and that for
Fairfax County government

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center they are about 60 feet

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in height.

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>> They can take a look at some
of the surrounding

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research and we found that

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stations do include ventilation
is on flagpoles

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and plaques. Just to give you a
couple of examples of all 3 of

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the counties around First and
foremost, the
Stafford County. They've

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recently amended their zoning

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ordinance of the end of last
Previously just like Fairfax

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County. They had accepted pulls
from the next

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building height. I'm Sofia of
they have now added a
regulation that a black

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homeless meet the height of
this.
Any district. You're single

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family detached Tony districts

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and Stafford County. That is
35 feet high.

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But the city of Fairfax, they
take a similar approach when it
comes to I also require the faa

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close to me the height of this.

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Any district. They also have

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limitations on flights
themselves allowing 3 flags

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per lot with each finding up to
40 square feet in size.

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Arlington County for most of

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their lot includes a 35 foot

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height limitation a permit to

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fly on one of the lots and 3

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flags on all
other lots each of these funds

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May be up to 60 in size and
they do have a cumulative total

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square footage of a 180 square

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need to fly polls.
Based on that invention.
We cannot regulate content, but

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we can regulate the time place
and manner. Some
new standards. The President

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Proposed to limit the height of
Michael's to 25 feet on

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single-family lots at 68.
All

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of us it would oppose to

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require a 5 foot setback and we
will continue to include a
requirements to meet the side
of your set backs of the safer

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presented excess restructures.

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It also proposes to limit the
number of likes to 2 on
single-family lots its flight

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limited to a maximum size of
24 square feet. Yeah, it would

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advertise ranges for their

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nation to reflect as well as 15

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to 45 squared, the size.
Us to carry forward the current

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3 flight limitations for all
other Watts we've included a

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Max of black signs of 96 where
it is our staff recommendation.

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The average price range from 96

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to 216 square feet.
I promise you pray that my

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kids, my presentation up with

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that. We're happy to answer any
questions. Thank you.
>> Thank you for any questions
from the commission. Mister

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Chairman commissioner Sargeant.
Yes, commissioner Sargeant

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place. A quick question for
staff.

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Just that.
>> For The issue of the
relationship of the sign

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regulations from last year and
the amendments there to your

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flags themselves. Could you

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just of help people understand

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the relationship.
>> a race thinking of what the

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previous regulations were in
terms of content and trolley

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and what the sign regulations.
Exactly. Thank you.

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Absolutely said prior to the
2019 sign ordinance and we
could. We did regulate likes

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of to believe it's us state and
corporate box. I'm not because

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of The issue that we also saw
that

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the signs we change those

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regulations to only limited to
3 Blacksburg, our list of

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cntent. So we're you know,
we're taking a look at other

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different ways that we can
regulate flags. And that's

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that's what we have proposed

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It's.

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Calls the winds and the fire.

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We're basically to set up a

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you
us corporate forced a flight

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they didn't ask when we change

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the ordinance. We

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I reply that don't
help fortify. And but we took
out the content of what type of

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life they are always regulated
high.

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And in other parts of the order
you know, we exempted them from

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high and then we did have some
locations
regulation basically. I just

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say they could be located

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anywhere on the lot.

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That that when we changed, you
know, the board met for the
sign. We get that with the

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content. We could deal with

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any. Our location are high.

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Thank you very much. Anyone
else.

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>> Mister Chairman, I just

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wanted to get permission to

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stand by.

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I just want to clarify that
owners Association

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has difference. Requirements

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and their documents that has

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documents apply. You couldn't

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comment on that, please.
>> Commissioner strandlie as

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with other types of regulations

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zoning ordinance does recognize
communities May have more

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restrictive standard to their

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covenants. It's
so important. Currently

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allowed. It just privately

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enforced.

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>> Anyone else.
Thank you very much. To just
one question I'm sorry. This is

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their moment commissioner
Cortina,

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thank you.

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>> Yes. So in the reverse is

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Gilbert. Decision.

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Did they distinguish.
Signs or is it anything.
I mean, could you just have

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a blanket. The liaison year.
Yard. And that's protected

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speech. And I'm just trying to
understand like.

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I see signs, but I didn't see

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flags.

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Can someone scrawled something
on the front of

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their house. Yeah. I just try
to understand their a bounce on

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this at all. This decision.

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>> Yeah. I don't know that the
First a for that.

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Hey, was not apply. It was a

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temporary 5. I search. And you

00:25:49.238 --> 00:25:50.805
know, the you know, provide
at Phi and you know, again,

00:25:53.508 --> 00:25:55.109
I don't want to go a lot of
on that. I think when it gets,

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too is that you can't regulate.

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And in because the content
neutrality we can

00:26:05.540 --> 00:26:06.654
no longer thank you because
initially when we get back on

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ordinance. I love that you
could have.

00:26:15.997 --> 00:26:18.433
That would be considered part
of your side area or and.

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Us. So if someone wanted to

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cause a lot of different fly.
Then technically it would be

00:26:26.508 --> 00:26:29.210
considered by area under the
final word.

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And so what we started you can

00:26:34.783 --> 00:26:37.418
have.
It is on. So we took the

00:26:37.452 --> 00:26:39.687
contact off of that because
somebody wanted to fly another.
I think we would be challenged

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on that just on the face of it.

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But having bad.

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Transferring that concept you
know.

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Presidential lot than any other
lot because
any lot, the residential

00:27:00.760 --> 00:27:02.760
commercial industrial that was

00:27:06.810 --> 00:27:07.582
just.
>> And I'm sure. I'm not

00:27:11.353 --> 00:27:13.353
getting this. Totally right.

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That's why.

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At that time we just took the

00:27:20.529 --> 00:27:22.130
type reflect we were going to
regulate the type of life they

00:27:23.650 --> 00:27:25.650
work. So if you want to fly

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Washington nationals ally a lot

00:27:32.176 --> 00:27:35.110
and put up a lie.
>> why you could do that I
would say that that's ok,

00:27:36.479 --> 00:27:38.790
because if we can and that
you're not on the right live.

00:27:41.830 --> 00:27:43.830
I think it would be challenged

00:27:44.153 --> 00:27:46.153
on that. I wanted to make sure

00:27:46.722 --> 00:27:48.722
that.

00:27:49.793 --> 00:27:52.940
Because of the fact that.
We can't

00:27:53.963 --> 00:27:56.640
regulate contact that. We want
to make sure we've got a couple

00:27:58.134 --> 00:28:00.134
instances or people wanted to

00:28:00.870 --> 00:28:02.870
fly large.

00:28:03.505 --> 00:28:05.673
I am. So we started to look at
that whole issue of why we
decided, you know, we should be

00:28:06.676 --> 00:28:08.676
looking at other things why

00:28:11.948 --> 00:28:14.649
we should.
You teach regulations that are
Lincoln County. I regulation.

00:28:16.185 --> 00:28:18.185
We're going to talk about their

00:28:24.270 --> 00:28:26.270
side or does it.

00:28:27.197 --> 00:28:29.331
>> I understand. I mean.
I always feel like there.

00:28:31.401 --> 00:28:33.335
Thank you. American flag.
Yes. To

00:28:35.638 --> 00:28:37.638
i understand you're trying to

00:28:43.313 --> 00:28:44.947
keep this content neutral and.
>> I just a little bit troubled

00:28:46.416 --> 00:28:47.816
about 7 of they them like a
shuns of

00:28:49.886 --> 00:28:52.854
But I'm not sure that I've sort
of them all

00:28:54.924 --> 00:28:56.924
out yet in the definitely have.

00:28:57.493 --> 00:28:59.493
It's about that.

00:29:00.430 --> 00:29:02.640
>> you know, having your
American flag count toward your

00:29:05.100 --> 00:29:07.100
total and being content neutral

00:29:08.137 --> 00:29:10.873
about it.
>> Is is not the sort of a
I think when you think about

00:29:15.177 --> 00:29:17.177
what what you can fly. So thank

00:29:21.251 --> 00:29:23.452
you. Mister Chairman.
So says you can't

00:29:24.854 --> 00:29:27.356
>> free speech if you be able
to readily will guarantee.

00:29:34.565 --> 00:29:36.767
>> And one songs and. Flags.
>> Well, I think we would have

00:29:36.767 --> 00:29:38.300
to look at that on a case by
case I you know, there are

00:29:42.172 --> 00:29:44.172
going to be all there are

00:29:45.308 --> 00:29:47.843
certain. That would preclude,
you know, certain
speech so I we would have to

00:29:52.983 --> 00:29:54.550
look at that on a case by case
and look at, you know what,

00:29:56.686 --> 00:29:58.686
what the requirement or if that

00:30:04.594 --> 00:30:06.728
were that were to happen.
>> ok, anyone else's Chairman.
Yes, commissioner just got

00:30:08.698 --> 00:30:10.698
permission and just be like

00:30:11.902 --> 00:30:13.902
her.

00:30:14.972 --> 00:30:16.972
3, 5, 3 flag poles. 3 flag was

00:30:18.975 --> 00:30:20.975
likable.

00:30:20.977 --> 00:30:22.578
>> And not for us to limit the
number of people just a number

00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:26.180
of blacks said there are often

00:30:26.483 --> 00:30:28.840
times people will lie like the
U.S. State all and I like the

00:30:29.653 --> 00:30:31.653
government center. They are on

00:30:31.955 --> 00:30:33.589
each. There are a lot.
>> So we'll speak to the number

00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:37.920
just a number of polls, just a

00:30:40.630 --> 00:30:42.932
number flags.
Anyone else.

00:30:42.932 --> 00:30:44.932
Hey, this is a public hearing.

00:30:45.502 --> 00:30:48.400
We have 7 list of speakers have
to
which anyone wishing to testify

00:30:50.741 --> 00:30:52.742
make are going to do so with a
3 minute time limit and a
college named.

00:30:55.412 --> 00:30:57.447
>> Give time you have and how
you're testifying and before

00:30:57.447 --> 00:30:59.140
you speak, I would like you to
identify. So for the record

00:31:00.984 --> 00:31:02.984
with your full name and address

00:31:04.540 --> 00:31:05.588
William bank 5 minutes from
testimony. You here, Sir.

00:31:09.226 --> 00:31:11.226
>> Yes. So you can hear me.

00:31:11.929 --> 00:31:13.929
Yes, I can. Hi, my name is Bo

00:31:16.866 --> 00:31:18.801
bank looking great Falls.
But my 50 you hold
6 years ago. It came as a

00:31:24.775 --> 00:31:26.409
whole. But without the Fed.
Flag. But then remembered those

00:31:27.878 --> 00:31:29.879
my daughter and father-in-law
other veterans.

00:31:31.982 --> 00:31:33.883
I had their test. It's stored
away.

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.519
It's I consider that my father

00:31:38.589 --> 00:31:41.224
would probably prefer not to be
sitting on

00:31:43.260 --> 00:31:45.260
a show rather it is some high

00:31:47.231 --> 00:31:49.999
still in the
just 4 years in her house.

00:31:51.335 --> 00:31:52.935
I proudly flew there. 50 square
could testify place where you

00:31:54.505 --> 00:31:56.505
are.

00:31:59.610 --> 00:32:01.744
>> Proposal has in mind.
You're present regulation.
We proposed. We've been saying

00:32:02.146 --> 00:32:04.146
this from happening in the

00:32:10.487 --> 00:32:12.556
future. For future generations.
2 people think

00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:14.658
2530 years ago ready with a
very active members of usa, the

00:32:18.696 --> 00:32:20.196
association, the U.S. Army.
And I met often showed a

00:32:21.932 --> 00:32:23.932
banquet table from time to time

00:32:26.770 --> 00:32:28.905
with you. As I recall.
So I know do you appreciate

00:32:34.780 --> 00:32:36.212
that. The other displays needs
a lot. Tibetans living Fairfax
County of all the military

00:32:37.648 --> 00:32:39.648
services and their families.

00:32:41.180 --> 00:32:42.786
i hope you do remember that
in care.

00:32:46.958 --> 00:32:48.958
I do not think any of us here.

00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.160
Only Commission or residents of

00:32:52.497 --> 00:32:54.497
Fairfax County. Would you like

00:32:55.566 --> 00:32:57.500
to invasion. Fairfax County
code

00:32:59.270 --> 00:33:01.270
compliance officers with a new

00:33:01.405 --> 00:33:03.806
American flag from Saint
Helens. But the individual who

00:33:04.843 --> 00:33:06.843
the winners because of said was

00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:10.460
bored when 24 square feet or do

00:33:12.250 --> 00:33:14.250
any of you May be.

00:33:15.286 --> 00:33:17.286
Recommend these proposed

00:33:18.389 --> 00:33:20.557
onerous residential and
commercial segment. The

00:33:20.958 --> 00:33:22.958
entirely and no further

00:33:25.397 --> 00:33:27.397
consideration be given to do is

00:33:27.432 --> 00:33:29.432
we get us. Regulation. Your

00:33:30.435 --> 00:33:32.435
citizens. Thank you. Thank you,

00:33:33.537 --> 00:33:34.938
bill.
>> Appreciate that

00:33:36.707 --> 00:33:38.707
rabbit. Meiji as Chairman.

00:33:39.811 --> 00:33:41.412
Yes, Mister,
>> I hope my if I don't know,

00:33:44.382 --> 00:33:45.949
staff has given thought to date
on issues that we just heard

00:33:47.552 --> 00:33:49.552
that it is possible that asked

00:33:57.129 --> 00:33:59.129
staff to respond.

00:34:00.465 --> 00:34:02.901
>> question.
>> Well, besides size of

00:34:02.901 --> 00:34:04.901
the flag, the size, the You

00:34:05.970 --> 00:34:07.970
know, when you consider that

00:34:09.730 --> 00:34:11.730
the ball and if you are draft,

00:34:11.142 --> 00:34:12.809
do what
you know was the size of the

00:34:14.446 --> 00:34:15.980
flag. As commissioner Cortina
was suggesting it was the

00:34:20.180 --> 00:34:22.180
American flag specifically.

00:34:23.354 --> 00:34:25.522
Was that. Brought it
to be. That's how you have of
your thinking was is or does

00:34:26.891 --> 00:34:29.227
the American flag offering
session to

00:34:29.227 --> 00:34:31.227
what you are posing or would

00:34:33.498 --> 00:34:35.498
you consider that is what my

00:34:35.767 --> 00:34:37.767
question. So.

00:34:37.903 --> 00:34:40.338
>> Well, we might like to we
can't offer an exception for

00:34:40.338 --> 00:34:42.338
the American flag. So if we

00:34:43.141 --> 00:34:45.509
were to allow the 50 square
foot of flat.

00:34:47.578 --> 00:34:49.578
That would be to apply for any

00:34:49.581 --> 00:34:51.581
kind of flat.

00:34:52.684 --> 00:34:54.684
>> That's consistent with the

00:34:57.155 --> 00:34:59.591
sign the
>> loss of his all the

00:34:59.591 --> 00:35:01.191
lawsuit, but but we all have
already heard, of course, that

00:35:02.694 --> 00:35:04.694
that that dealt with signs and

00:35:05.530 --> 00:35:08.299
flags.
That's all I know is generous
want to know if we have staff
and that was helpful. Thank

00:35:09.668 --> 00:35:11.269
you.
>> ok. Thank you

00:35:13.372 --> 00:35:15.720
very much, Robin. A g 5 minutes
from testimony.

00:35:17.642 --> 00:35:20.544
Chairman Murphy commissioners.
Good evening, Chris. You and

00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.679
your family's role. Well, is

00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:26.750
Robert Maggi from quit. Thank

00:35:26.952 --> 00:35:28.952
you for

00:35:29.788 --> 00:35:31.322
the opportunity to speak with
you about Fairfax County's

00:35:32.624 --> 00:35:34.624
proposal to control the flying

00:35:35.527 --> 00:35:37.527
of the American play. Tonight.

00:35:39.964 --> 00:35:41.964
It is critical you do whatever

00:35:42.868 --> 00:35:44.868
is necessary

00:35:45.170 --> 00:35:47.170
to ensure the flag display

00:35:47.539 --> 00:35:49.140
provision of the pending zoning
regulation does not apply the

00:35:53.278 --> 00:35:55.278
displays of the American flag.

00:35:56.470 --> 00:35:57.615
Displays of the American flag
must be explicitly exam from

00:35:58.884 --> 00:36:00.884
Fairfax County zoning

00:36:03.355 --> 00:36:05.355
regulations. The American flag

00:36:05.925 --> 00:36:07.925
can not. You made equal 2 car

00:36:07.993 --> 00:36:09.993
dealerships sales flags.

00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:13.960
Or happy springtime flags or

00:36:14.899 --> 00:36:16.900
any other displays.
Citizens must have
unfettered ability to display

00:36:18.337 --> 00:36:20.572
American flags on their own
property.

00:36:23.442 --> 00:36:25.442
I was a Navy aircraft carrier

00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:29.679
pilot from 1971 in 1991.

00:36:30.715 --> 00:36:32.715
I was also in the field in

00:36:33.819 --> 00:36:35.821
Afghanistan from 2005 to 2008
as the State

00:36:35.821 --> 00:36:37.355
Department advisor before
commanding generals of all

00:36:40.759 --> 00:36:42.759
American forces in Afghanistan.

00:36:45.764 --> 00:36:47.765
In Afghanistan. I participated
in hundreds of
ramp ceremonies and Morial

00:36:51.504 --> 00:36:53.504
services for fallen comrades.

00:36:54.640 --> 00:36:57.342
You would only need to watch
for Clegg 3 remains into the

00:36:58.511 --> 00:37:00.745
aircraft for transportation
home. Just one time to know why

00:37:02.815 --> 00:37:04.815
the American flag is

00:37:06.218 --> 00:37:07.818
incomparable.
No other flag or display stand

00:37:09.489 --> 00:37:11.489
in any way be equated to the

00:37:12.492 --> 00:37:14.693
American flag.
For me it is the right of every
American to fly the American

00:37:16.595 --> 00:37:18.595
flag on their part. The

00:37:18.698 --> 00:37:20.165
property. Please ensure this
right is made clear in

00:37:25.137 --> 00:37:27.137
depending zoning regulations.

00:37:28.508 --> 00:37:30.508
I trust.

00:37:30.510 --> 00:37:33.178
That
the board. We'll do whatever is
necessary to make sure that

00:37:34.847 --> 00:37:36.314
the county zoning regulations
will
not be.

00:37:38.450 --> 00:37:40.450
>> Covering the American plate.

00:37:41.720 --> 00:37:43.254
Thank you. Take care and be
safe. Thank you very much.

00:37:45.125 --> 00:37:47.125
But Miller 5 in his own

00:37:47.560 --> 00:37:49.560
testimony.

00:37:49.562 --> 00:37:51.562
>> Yes, good evening. And Clyde

00:37:52.465 --> 00:37:54.699
Miller, 3436 Skyview terrace in
Falls Church, Virginia on this

00:37:55.468 --> 00:37:57.468
up because the flags, oddly the

00:37:59.438 --> 00:38:01.541
only residential used to seem
odd limits to the smaller 24
foot flag poles or

00:38:01.541 --> 00:38:03.541
single-family dwellings, all

00:38:04.110 --> 00:38:06.110
other residential uses are
allowed. The largest

00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.470
60 foot poles including
manufactured homes and mobile

00:38:09.515 --> 00:38:11.820
home parks group residential
facilities and all the many

00:38:12.685 --> 00:38:14.919
2, 3, story apartment building
from the county.

00:38:16.755 --> 00:38:18.755
More logically. It seems that

00:38:18.959 --> 00:38:21.260
all residential uses should
be treated the same than we
have like standards for

00:38:22.562 --> 00:38:24.562
residential uses and standards

00:38:25.164 --> 00:38:26.665
for non residential uses.
The proposal allows all

00:38:30.303 --> 00:38:32.303
nonresidential uses 3 of the 60

00:38:32.305 --> 00:38:33.772
foot flag poles and
3.96 square foot like

00:38:35.408 --> 00:38:37.408
nonresidential, uses of the

00:38:38.211 --> 00:38:40.346
church's private schools,
daycare centers, swim clubs
that are embedded among his

00:38:43.183 --> 00:38:45.317
founded by our homes with these
enormous flag. Some polls every

00:38:46.252 --> 00:38:48.420
nonresidential uses would be
free to just take your its host

00:38:50.490 --> 00:38:52.724
neighborhood with a vulgar flag
display. This juicing.

00:38:52.725 --> 00:38:54.725
For example, the proposal does

00:38:55.495 --> 00:38:58.397
not limit how flag can be
displayed. There's no

00:39:00.767 --> 00:39:02.434
requirement for the 3.90 square
foot flag to be on the

00:39:03.469 --> 00:39:05.504
flagpoles. A flight May be
mounted on are draped over the

00:39:07.540 --> 00:39:09.540
facade of the building were

00:39:09.575 --> 00:39:11.575
tied by 4 corners between 2

00:39:11.578 --> 00:39:13.579
trees or tied between post the
ground level. The 3 flags could

00:39:15.482 --> 00:39:17.850
be tied to post side by side
to create one flag, 8 feet high

00:39:19.986 --> 00:39:21.986
and 36 feet long a 288 square

00:39:23.560 --> 00:39:25.560
foot flag. That's too much flag

00:39:25.325 --> 00:39:27.426
for
residential neighborhoods.
Flags allowed nonresidential

00:39:29.196 --> 00:39:30.530
uses should be denied bail to
Lukas the use.

00:39:32.366 --> 00:39:35.234
>> And it's easy to do that
as follows.

00:39:36.203 --> 00:39:39.400
Flags are displayed and 3
principal ways attached to
walls or other structures.

00:39:41.740 --> 00:39:43.740
So the flag is held open with

00:39:45.111 --> 00:39:47.146
the full face exposed.
Flags come loose on tangled

00:39:49.216 --> 00:39:50.716
polls from front porches and
the like. And more most

00:39:52.285 --> 00:39:54.285
commonly flags. Hung loose on a

00:39:54.788 --> 00:39:57.756
standalone flagpoles flags held
open on walls and cetera should

00:39:59.659 --> 00:40:01.193
be regulated as signs because
that's what they would be.

00:40:01.861 --> 00:40:03.861
They would be fixed displays

00:40:04.932 --> 00:40:06.932
allowed to convey and the legal

00:40:08.680 --> 00:40:10.837
message.
Sometimes on tango polls off
porch, the federal generally

00:40:10.837 --> 00:40:13.205
are small and unobtrusive.
They might be limited to 24

00:40:17.770 --> 00:40:19.770
square feet on polls feet long.

00:40:20.346 --> 00:40:22.346
Next commercial practices as as

00:40:24.818 --> 00:40:27.787
Carmen was speaking.
Or if that's commercial
practices recommend Heights

00:40:29.122 --> 00:40:31.791
for freestanding flagpoles.
20 foot poles for one and 2

00:40:32.926 --> 00:40:35.661
story. Residential stop
buildings. 25 c 4, 2, 3,

00:40:35.729 --> 00:40:37.797
stories beyond that flagpole
high should cause pond at the

00:40:38.733 --> 00:40:40.733
height of the building. Perhaps

00:40:40.801 --> 00:40:42.801
a little higher, but limited

00:40:42.937 --> 00:40:44.470
for our purposes to a maximum
of 60 feet than commercial

00:40:45.806 --> 00:40:47.807
practices recommend flag sizes
based on the height of the

00:40:48.108 --> 00:40:50.108
pope, for example, something

00:40:52.179 --> 00:40:53.946
between 1540 square feet for a
25 foot pole there can number

00:40:54.181 --> 00:40:56.181
in the middle is a 30 square

00:40:57.251 --> 00:40:59.251
feet 4 polls for flags on 25

00:40:59.553 --> 00:41:01.553
foot poles.

00:41:01.589 --> 00:41:03.589
Finally allow one flag pole for

00:41:04.458 --> 00:41:07.393
lot smaller than 2 acres and
3 flagpoles for lot larger than

00:41:09.496 --> 00:41:11.731
5 acres. This would provide
a generous standard for flags

00:41:13.501 --> 00:41:15.501
appropriate for nonresidential

00:41:15.603 --> 00:41:18.380
uses can form the commercial
practices. At the same time

00:41:18.380 --> 00:41:20.140
protect neighborhoods and
African to satisfied with the
flags allowed should be

00:41:21.442 --> 00:41:23.644
permitted recourse by a special
permit.

00:41:23.644 --> 00:41:25.644
The point is that slides badly

00:41:26.914 --> 00:41:28.914
can be tied to this size to

00:41:30.217 --> 00:41:32.352
the scale.
The point is that flags readily

00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:36.256
can be ties to the scale of
the non residential use.

00:41:37.324 --> 00:41:39.324
There's no need to accept the

00:41:39.726 --> 00:41:41.160
mosque proposal for enormous
flags and polls that

00:41:42.195 --> 00:41:44.195
effectively deregulate the use

00:41:46.330 --> 00:41:48.868
of What non residential use,
possibly needs more than

00:41:49.170 --> 00:41:51.304
3.60, foot poles with the
proposal. 9 residents and
nonresidential uses simply get

00:41:52.373 --> 00:41:54.207
everything they could possibly
want.

00:41:56.277 --> 00:41:57.544
Central mission of the zoning
ordinances

00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.347
to protect residential
districts for

00:42:03.584 --> 00:42:05.620
incompatible development.
The mine is abrogated its

00:42:05.620 --> 00:42:07.187
responsibilities. The flags
ordinance. If it's a mistake

00:42:08.389 --> 00:42:10.389
seem odd made with signs

00:42:11.250 --> 00:42:13.250
ordinance 2 years ago. Let's

00:42:14.195 --> 00:42:16.896
not do it again. Thank you.
Thank you
very much.
>> Adrian white, 5 minutes.

00:42:17.598 --> 00:42:19.566
Phone testimony, a great place.
>> High chair and that they

00:42:21.635 --> 00:42:23.635
can. You hear me?

00:42:25.607 --> 00:42:27.808
>> Yes.
>> My name is Adrian where that
60,004 with tools way Falls

00:42:29.143 --> 00:42:31.812
Church, Virginia, 2 to. Of
course it.

00:42:33.681 --> 00:42:35.282
More questions and comments on
the new flag pole subsection.

00:42:37.510 --> 00:42:39.510
But my questions implicitly

00:42:39.486 --> 00:42:41.486
reflect moment.

00:42:41.523 --> 00:42:43.857
The background to this like
full report starts early with a
statement that neighboring

00:42:45.426 --> 00:42:46.760
jurisdictions regulate height
by number and

00:42:49.197 --> 00:42:51.197
that back for flying the flag

00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:54.634
pole. So we should too. This
struck me as an odd way to
address regulation. There are

00:42:54.869 --> 00:42:56.869
challenges to the thing could

00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:00.500
could the bza not address them

00:43:01.876 --> 00:43:03.510
with an s p hearing.
The dress as preventing Michael

00:43:05.146 --> 00:43:07.347
let's be set-back 5 feet from
any front lot line a straight
line. If you're like continues

00:43:08.349 --> 00:43:11.170
right of way. Will this create
a hazard

00:43:12.186 --> 00:43:14.200
to drivers who could slam into
the pole during due to

00:43:16.910 --> 00:43:18.692
inattention or icy conditions.
They ran off grateful
Street frequently.
>> But it's the flag is

00:43:20.161 --> 00:43:22.161
eliminated would glare be a

00:43:22.263 --> 00:43:23.831
hazard to motorists.
If I can be flown regardless

00:43:27.101 --> 00:43:28.735
of content will q a non flag
be allowed would reverse of the

00:43:30.204 --> 00:43:33.600
town of Gilbert consider flag
to
be fine. How or where is

00:43:34.609 --> 00:43:36.610
content neutral defined in the
mind.

00:43:38.313 --> 00:43:40.514
There are many nonresidential
uses in residential
neighborhood. I don't know what

00:43:41.716 --> 00:43:43.716
you call those fluttering

00:43:44.180 --> 00:43:45.586
banners on pose. But the door
on them as advertising time.

00:43:47.255 --> 00:43:49.256
But are they considered flag
or sign.

00:43:51.293 --> 00:43:53.728
I am pulled chesterbrook
residences in
Westmoreland Street. It was

00:43:54.796 --> 00:43:56.796
nice to get a fine line.

00:43:57.832 --> 00:44:00.367
A proportion of like full with
the American flag. And
additionally, a varying number

00:44:03.370 --> 00:44:05.939
of those waiting advertising
signs along Westmoreland are
those signs or flags. I see

00:44:07.542 --> 00:44:09.542
them as clutter and I have no

00:44:09.678 --> 00:44:11.678
idea if they're legal.

00:44:12.514 --> 00:44:14.949
There are an unusual number
of ranges and the average high
tech. How will the board

00:44:14.950 --> 00:44:16.950
determine the appropriate

00:44:18.860 --> 00:44:20.860
number of flags and their

00:44:20.155 --> 00:44:21.755
height on a residential lot.
Well, the size of the 3 flies

00:44:22.991 --> 00:44:24.424
on a non-residential look right
in the middle of a

00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:28.729
neighborhood, possibly up to
216 square feet. The answers to

00:44:29.765 --> 00:44:31.765
these questions should depend

00:44:32.834 --> 00:44:34.702
on many factors. There are no
one size fits

00:44:36.638 --> 00:44:38.638
all answers. Well, Stephanie,

00:44:38.673 --> 00:44:40.274
the planning Commission be
making recommendations or our

00:44:41.900 --> 00:44:43.610
board members expected to
decide how much like brees
would they want our
neighborhood to look with flags

00:44:44.848 --> 00:44:47.482
and home-based business.
I go lower. I have no concerns

00:44:49.551 --> 00:44:51.180
about American flag. There are
3 on my

00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.190
little Street. It's the flags
are not required to

00:44:55.190 --> 00:44:58.125
be great or catch at the top.
They could end up as rigid poll

00:44:59.661 --> 00:45:01.661
finds for home-based businesses

00:45:02.765 --> 00:45:04.765
advertising discount here cuts

00:45:04.833 --> 00:45:06.833
best handgun repair

00:45:06.835 --> 00:45:09.170
or whatever. Like displayed
held open should be regulated

00:45:11.206 --> 00:45:12.640
as find they are no different
it is unclear if the

00:45:14.442 --> 00:45:16.610
advertising flag that move up
and down like little
dancing man will be eliminated

00:45:19.381 --> 00:45:21.649
with but life or even worse.
Flashing light. The county used
to care about the international

00:45:24.586 --> 00:45:26.586
dark sky Association

00:45:26.722 --> 00:45:29.900
guidelines. Why
not now they not propose who
should address whether and when

00:45:30.592 --> 00:45:32.592
to do it limitations, a flag

00:45:32.828 --> 00:45:34.361
May be eliminated.
If I live 3 blocks up the

00:45:35.130 --> 00:45:37.130
street. What I 66 can I build a

00:45:38.200 --> 00:45:39.768
berm in my front yard but to
fly close

00:45:41.770 --> 00:45:43.371
on top and slam maximum size
flag could be seen from Tyson.

00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:46.941
Wilhite be determined the way
it is for

00:45:47.109 --> 00:45:48.676
other structures. I couldn't
find like Wilhite defined in

00:45:50.378 --> 00:45:52.378
the day. My definition of high

00:45:52.949 --> 00:45:54.949
or anywhere else.

00:45:57.972 --> 00:46:00.522
I can see Tyson from up the
street so after has been the
answer would be yes. So it
is unclear. I'm a spotlight.

00:46:00.522 --> 00:46:02.522
Good place on it. If I were at

00:46:02.558 --> 00:46:04.558
church leader, could I do that

00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:07.396
with 3 flag.
One of our associations have
had an opportunity to discuss

00:46:07.396 --> 00:46:09.396
this late-breaking additions of

00:46:11.534 --> 00:46:13.335
the mud. It was published just
days ago. You already know how

00:46:15.371 --> 00:46:18.106
many of us feel about a lot of
deliberation during
a pandemic. I'm wondering why

00:46:20.576 --> 00:46:22.543
flags and light poles were
rushed into the agenda. It

00:46:22.912 --> 00:46:25.790
seems like a solution in search
of a problem. And this is a
solution. Could be worse than

00:46:26.682 --> 00:46:28.918
anything. We are experiencing
now.

00:46:28.918 --> 00:46:30.918
Thank you for considering these

00:46:32.455 --> 00:46:34.455
questions and the clarity of

00:46:35.570 --> 00:46:37.258
this subsection. I hope the
section and definitions can be
clarified. They also hope all

00:46:37.493 --> 00:46:38.760
of you stay safe and well,
thank you.

00:46:40.596 --> 00:46:42.997
>> Thank you. Waiting pre.
She ate it.

00:46:45.735 --> 00:46:47.735
Fran Wallingford 5 minutes from

00:46:48.938 --> 00:46:50.572
testimony at this time. Yes,
discussion
of Clark.

00:46:52.475 --> 00:46:54.800
>> To a comment and testimony
that we just heard.

00:46:57.790 --> 00:46:59.790
So ask the staff if there's a

00:47:04.353 --> 00:47:05.954
fly, it that same joke is
What would be the what what a

00:47:12.610 --> 00:47:13.562
report that to where they put
>> I would report it to

00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:18.800
closely Johnson. They would
>> And the Department of code

00:47:20.336 --> 00:47:22.336
compliance and we thought they

00:47:23.806 --> 00:47:25.806
would investigate it.

00:47:26.876 --> 00:47:29.377
And again, but person May not
We had.

00:47:33.649 --> 00:47:35.830
What a lot of the discussions
during fine

00:47:35.651 --> 00:47:37.651
ordinance amendment which was

00:47:38.388 --> 00:47:40.388
an effort to deal with content

00:47:45.261 --> 00:47:46.828
neutrality and. You know, life.
And so, you know, because we

00:47:48.564 --> 00:47:50.564
can't regulate content. We

00:47:52.735 --> 00:47:54.735
can't regulate this way.

00:47:57.641 --> 00:47:59.641
So somebody could just you all.

00:48:00.710 --> 00:48:03.645
>> All black lives United
States flag.

00:48:05.548 --> 00:48:07.115
>> That is one of the reasons
why we're trying to put some

00:48:13.723 --> 00:48:16.159
her grandmother on the thigh.
And the number because

00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:18.159
electrify that what we can

00:48:23.499 --> 00:48:25.901
regulate. I place and manner.
A question.
>> And since we live in the

00:48:27.904 --> 00:48:29.904
United States should the United

00:48:30.974 --> 00:48:32.974
States 5 unique session.

00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.440
>> You know, we talked you

00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.249
know.
If someone national origin is
from Australia. They want to

00:48:41.918 --> 00:48:43.918
cry and Australian flag or a

00:48:46.355 --> 00:48:48.355
Canadian fly.

00:48:49.493 --> 00:48:51.493
Yeah. I don't know that we can

00:48:54.397 --> 00:48:56.565
say you want to fly.
You know, there's nothing to or

00:48:56.733 --> 00:48:58.300
not stopping anybody from
flying an American flag want

00:48:59.869 --> 00:49:01.869
you all are going to put a

00:49:03.740 --> 00:49:05.740
perimeter around this.

00:49:05.943 --> 00:49:07.943
Location and the high.

00:49:09.120 --> 00:49:11.347
Make it fly planning
Commission.

00:49:13.417 --> 00:49:15.818
Recommend to you know, they
like
American life. So we're not

00:49:17.587 --> 00:49:19.587
waiting at. I also want to

00:49:20.223 --> 00:49:22.223
point out that.

00:49:23.294 --> 00:49:25.294
We are regulating. We have to

00:49:25.896 --> 00:49:27.530
find
a fly. You know, it was defined

00:49:29.132 --> 00:49:31.132
as part of the fine art and

00:49:35.538 --> 00:49:37.139
made a few tweaks to
Yeah. I find differently and I

00:49:38.708 --> 00:49:41.109
are fine, which are residences
allowed to have.

00:49:43.213 --> 00:49:45.213
12 square-foot Photo. One

00:49:48.418 --> 00:49:50.486
equals 4 square feet.
Those are already regulated

00:49:51.321 --> 00:49:53.321
windblown find the other signs

00:49:53.390 --> 00:49:55.390
that the previous speaker

00:49:58.896 --> 00:50:00.646
talked we made up for auction.
Or black because they are one

00:50:03.330 --> 00:50:04.834
lone voice, you know, in and
how they are. If

00:50:06.937 --> 00:50:08.937
you're too. And that's why you

00:50:12.958 --> 00:50:14.443
can have a flat.
And it can be. And and I know
that's starkly it. You know,

00:50:16.514 --> 00:50:18.514
people look at that ad.

00:50:21.952 --> 00:50:24.654
American flag. Corporate planes
are stay high. But again.

00:50:26.757 --> 00:50:28.825
You know, with all of that
changed of

00:50:28.825 --> 00:50:30.860
a car. And in particular with
3 versus cover which does deal

00:50:35.232 --> 00:50:38.100
with content neutral. Issues.
You know, we felt that we had

00:50:40.700 --> 00:50:42.700
make those changes last in 2019

00:50:42.940 --> 00:50:44.940
and our other.

00:50:46.109 --> 00:50:48.144
Regulating has a five-place
a matter of how many I am.

00:50:50.130 --> 00:50:52.130
And again, other You know, the

00:50:53.284 --> 00:50:54.884
comment was made. You know,
we don't you can be different.

00:50:56.420 --> 00:50:58.420
But it's not something that

00:50:58.889 --> 00:51:00.490
we're.
Right now where we're at 0, I

00:51:03.894 --> 00:51:05.894
mean, there's no regulation.

00:51:07.300 --> 00:51:09.300
That somebody could already

00:51:10.670 --> 00:51:12.469
today put up a 60 foot.
All in their on their front
yard, 5 feet or so away from

00:51:15.706 --> 00:51:17.706
the eye. You can do that today.

00:51:20.844 --> 00:51:22.378
>> And so my comment on another
flight was more so to the

00:51:23.981 --> 00:51:25.981
earlier testimony the size of

00:51:26.818 --> 00:51:29.486
the American pie.
Why would we look at that as

00:51:35.826 --> 00:51:38.361
an nation on Rye projet
>> Again, just I guess if
you're saying that they can't

00:51:39.697 --> 00:51:41.697
fly a larger size than what

00:51:42.767 --> 00:51:44.767
we're proposing or.

00:51:45.570 --> 00:51:47.604
>> The
>> Yeah. And and again, I think

00:51:49.307 --> 00:51:51.408
we get into equal treatment
and you could fly the American
flag at one time but not

00:51:52.877 --> 00:51:54.877
another quiet and other side.

00:51:56.113 --> 00:51:58.113
We can look at that. And take

00:51:58.248 --> 00:52:00.248
that into consideration.

00:52:02.887 --> 00:52:04.887
>> Okay. For and still there.

00:52:05.123 --> 00:52:06.723
Yes, Sir.
>> Mister Chairman members of

00:52:07.458 --> 00:52:09.458
the planning Commission.

00:52:09.694 --> 00:52:11.694
My name is Fran Walling.

00:52:12.763 --> 00:52:14.763
Ford. 3311. And drive speaking

00:52:14.865 --> 00:52:16.865
as an individual.

00:52:17.669 --> 00:52:19.203
To see much citizens Advisory
committee has not had the

00:52:22.573 --> 00:52:24.908
opportunity to discuss flag and
flag poles. It is on our agenda
for tomorrow. So thank you

00:52:26.444 --> 00:52:28.444
commissioner Sargeant for the

00:52:30.948 --> 00:52:33.451
deferral.
There are a lot of questions
related flags of the facts

00:52:33.451 --> 00:52:35.752
flagpoles and hopefully we'll
hear some answers tonight so

00:52:38.123 --> 00:52:40.123
that we can determine what in

00:52:41.226 --> 00:52:43.226
our opinion makes sense.

00:52:44.362 --> 00:52:46.496
I'm not sure why every single
family detached property needs

00:52:50.468 --> 00:52:53.403
by white to 25 foot flag poles
and unlimited small flags in

00:52:54.773 --> 00:52:56.340
some way that these fall into
the category of signage and

00:52:57.976 --> 00:53:00.277
more. It will clutter and
driver distraction.

00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.280
Kim property owners rent out

00:53:05.416 --> 00:53:07.517
their flag pole. For example,
can a homeowner with a

00:53:09.620 --> 00:53:11.620
flag pole and the chief 5 g and

00:53:13.158 --> 00:53:15.293
tenet of black people.
Can the homeowner and a

00:53:15.293 --> 00:53:16.827
directional antenna and other
appropriate connections to

00:53:18.696 --> 00:53:20.696
provide total in its service to

00:53:20.999 --> 00:53:23.534
their house.
What else can be connected to

00:53:27.673 --> 00:53:30.274
the flagpole they live cameras.
These are the same questions
that applied to the 60 foot

00:53:32.770 --> 00:53:33.577
pole to pose for nonresidential
uses.

00:53:35.814 --> 00:53:37.814
This could really be a fun of

00:53:38.917 --> 00:53:40.917
money maker. If various

00:53:41.286 --> 00:53:42.786
attachments are allowed.
What are the unintended

00:53:44.455 --> 00:53:45.722
consequences of what is being
proposed.

00:53:47.659 --> 00:53:49.659
Can the flag on the pole, the

00:53:50.762 --> 00:53:52.762
bridge. It's. Well, it mustn't

00:53:53.165 --> 00:53:55.165
be draped in flowing.

00:53:56.267 --> 00:53:58.267
If the flag is flying, 24 7.

00:53:58.403 --> 00:54:00.939
The U.S. Flag must be lit.
How will the proposed process

00:54:00.939 --> 00:54:02.939
ensure that the light will not

00:54:04.977 --> 00:54:06.544
be shining into the neighbors.
That is are we going fashion

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.800
around using is cherry picker

00:54:12.350 --> 00:54:14.518
to.
See where the light is and then
go around half down to see

00:54:15.587 --> 00:54:17.587
whose bedroom window China in

00:54:18.289 --> 00:54:19.923
2.
If the U.S. Flag will be a 24 7

00:54:21.427 --> 00:54:24.328
and a special prom. It must
be required.

00:54:27.399 --> 00:54:29.867
I also don't understand why
we need all these small
flags. We want to guard and a

00:54:33.105 --> 00:54:35.105
baby flags in our front yard.

00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:37.374
If there's no limit to how many
small flags you can have.

00:54:39.110 --> 00:54:41.110
Why is it in the zoning

00:54:41.380 --> 00:54:43.614
ordinance.
What it now says that staff do

00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:49.253
that makes this uses defined
If there's some reason to

00:54:50.822 --> 00:54:52.822
include to little flags.

00:54:52.958 --> 00:54:54.525
And let's
be clear, what rules you're

00:54:56.161 --> 00:54:58.161
establishing and once again,

00:54:58.364 --> 00:54:59.964
how will this be enforced.
What is the maximum height of

00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:03.400
the software. And I was

00:55:04.970 --> 00:55:07.271
unclear.
We said in the ordinance.

00:55:09.174 --> 00:55:10.775
Many folks have asked a lot
of questions related flags and

00:55:12.612 --> 00:55:14.979
flagpoles and also the main see
my documents.

00:55:16.315 --> 00:55:18.851
And I knew that his staff is
working very hard to try to

00:55:18.851 --> 00:55:20.851
answer these questions battles.

00:55:21.487 --> 00:55:24.422
The question has not been
answered.

00:55:26.591 --> 00:55:29.493
In the past when we did the
North County site specific
plan amendment staff very

00:55:29.929 --> 00:55:32.697
generously provided a list of
all the questions asked and all

00:55:34.660 --> 00:55:36.660
the other hand says it would be

00:55:37.269 --> 00:55:38.803
great if we could. Provide
something like that as you

00:55:39.738 --> 00:55:41.738
started to talk about earlier

00:55:42.908 --> 00:55:44.908
this evening. It's not too late

00:55:45.577 --> 00:55:47.577
to do that.

00:55:48.714 --> 00:55:50.783
In the county. If the county
is sincere in endorsing
citizen engagement. The answers

00:55:50.783 --> 00:55:53.552
are really necessary. And I
know what a lot of work for

00:55:55.654 --> 00:55:57.856
staff. But it would be helpful
to
the communities. Thank you for

00:55:57.856 --> 00:55:59.856
all you do is stay well.

00:56:00.259 --> 00:56:02.259
Everyone and drive home safely.

00:56:03.362 --> 00:56:05.362
>> Thank you. Thank you for and

00:56:06.799 --> 00:56:09.734
Jody Bennett.
From testimony. 10 minutes

00:56:09.735 --> 00:56:11.735
Geraghty there.

00:56:11.771 --> 00:56:13.973
>> they're here. Thank Tony
Bennett chair the land use

00:56:13.973 --> 00:56:15.973
committee Hunter mill

00:56:16.642 --> 00:56:19.477
defensively 14 5900 new farms
in

00:56:19.912 --> 00:56:21.512
Vienna, Virginia. Chairman
Murphy commissioner Carter and

00:56:23.116 --> 00:56:25.984
commissioners many times.
We have testified

00:56:26.419 --> 00:56:27.986
before you about the community
efforts to preserve the rule

00:56:31.490 --> 00:56:33.490
and historic character of the

00:56:34.560 --> 00:56:36.560
7.2 mile Hunter Mill Road

00:56:36.695 --> 00:56:39.597
March. 26
22 2002, the General Assembly

00:56:39.631 --> 00:56:41.631
of the Virginia inactive that

00:56:43.503 --> 00:56:45.370
the entirely, the Hunter Mill
Road in Fairfax County is

00:56:48.574 --> 00:56:51.509
designated a Virginia by way on
12/13/2000, one the common with
the Department of historic

00:56:52.945 --> 00:56:55.580
resources. Determined that
country road has been deemed
eligible for nomination to the

00:56:56.815 --> 00:56:58.484
Virginia and the National
Register of Historic Places

00:57:00.587 --> 00:57:02.587
we turn to the great Paul

00:57:02.755 --> 00:57:05.590
citizens
for support who has worked
years to have Georgetown Pike

00:57:07.193 --> 00:57:09.193
about weigh in on the national

00:57:09.428 --> 00:57:11.428
registry.

00:57:11.530 --> 00:57:13.530
Of Historic Places commissioner

00:57:14.533 --> 00:57:16.135
ulfelder. You are an important
part of the effort to preserve

00:57:17.704 --> 00:57:19.204
the rule and his star character
of
Georgetown Pike.

00:57:22.942 --> 00:57:25.310
>> Georgetown Pike now on the
national registry. We continue
to work toward place in Hunter

00:57:26.946 --> 00:57:29.681
Mill road on the National
Registry of

00:57:30.883 --> 00:57:32.883
Historic Places. There are 11

00:57:33.954 --> 00:57:36.788
historic markers a key point
along the
7.2 miles of fentanyl read, for
example, their historic markers

00:57:38.524 --> 00:57:40.524
at the North and south and up

00:57:41.594 --> 00:57:43.628
on the Metro Cartersville
Baptist Church in the area

00:57:45.298 --> 00:57:47.298
of it day trail where it

00:57:48.367 --> 00:57:50.367
crosses Hunter Mill Road.

00:57:50.971 --> 00:57:52.538
It's with
this background that I voice

00:57:55.942 --> 00:57:57.942
our concerns about the revised

00:57:58.978 --> 00:58:01.747
black point. Black pose owning
argues that is before you

00:58:01.881 --> 00:58:04.850
tonight. Designation of the
road as a Byway are meeting to

00:58:04.884 --> 00:58:06.884
the National Registry of

00:58:07.954 --> 00:58:09.954
Historic Places includes

00:58:11.525 --> 00:58:13.525
maintaining

00:58:14.628 --> 00:58:16.628
>> And this to control it that

00:58:16.763 --> 00:58:18.763
a critical cross teary of these

00:58:19.566 --> 00:58:21.566
designations is that preference

00:58:22.335 --> 00:58:24.200
shall be given corridors with
control zoning. So as to

00:58:25.906 --> 00:58:27.906
reasonably protect the static

00:58:28.675 --> 00:58:30.743
or cultural value of the
highways. Let's examine one
section of the proposed

00:58:31.845 --> 00:58:33.845
proposed zoning ordinance far

00:58:35.858 --> 00:58:36.884
flagpoles.
If you're familiar with these

00:58:40.386 --> 00:58:42.554
ordinances, I will summarize.
>> On the lot develop with the
single family dwelling, the

00:58:44.124 --> 00:58:46.124
height of the flagpole is

00:58:47.194 --> 00:58:49.929
limited to 25 feet. However,
the advertised range

00:58:50.897 --> 00:58:53.699
of safety only into the lot
develop with the principle used
other than a single family

00:58:53.967 --> 00:58:55.967
dwelling. The height of the

00:58:57.137 --> 00:58:59.137
flagpoles is limited to 6

00:59:00.207 --> 00:59:02.976
defeat every
to see tree stand and flagpoles
May be located. No closer than

00:59:07.914 --> 00:59:10.820
5 feet from any of the mountain
and mistreatment on a lot
developing with a single family

00:59:10.584 --> 00:59:12.584
dwelling 2 flags May be placed

00:59:15.588 --> 00:59:17.588
on a Flack. So but highs range

00:59:17.625 --> 00:59:19.625
3 flags on the lot developed

00:59:20.561 --> 00:59:22.561
with the principal use other

00:59:23.630 --> 00:59:25.564
than a single family dwelling,
a maximum of 3 flags are

00:59:26.900 --> 00:59:28.900
permitted per lot. H flag is

00:59:29.636 --> 00:59:31.636
limited to a maximum of 96

00:59:32.772 --> 00:59:34.772
square feet with an advertised

00:59:36.944 --> 00:59:39.145
range at 216 square feet.
Thank you for establishing a

00:59:40.981 --> 00:59:43.616
procedure for staff to provide
answers to questions have ever.
I have a limited number of

00:59:45.919 --> 00:59:47.919
questions that I hope the

00:59:48.888 --> 00:59:50.888
commissioners were asked so the

00:59:50.991 --> 00:59:52.991
public could hear staff

00:59:53.600 --> 00:59:55.862
explanation tonight as the
question as home-based
businesses will be committed

00:59:57.732 --> 00:59:59.866
for those with the commercial
focus. Can there be flags with
the commercial interests.

01:00:02.136 --> 01:00:04.136
They placed in a residential

01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.640
neighborhood question. 2.
For example, home-based

01:00:07.674 --> 01:00:09.674
business that repairs a small

01:00:10.211 --> 01:00:12.380
appliance or makes clothes.
Can the 2 flags have

01:00:12.380 --> 01:00:14.380
advertisement for the

01:00:15.490 --> 01:00:17.490
commercial uses. What if an

01:00:18.252 --> 01:00:19.719
applicant.
Its eyes to advertise

01:00:21.555 --> 01:00:23.555
his buddies Pizza place at the

01:00:24.524 --> 01:00:26.125
end of the Hunter Mill Road
can a plaque with this content

01:00:27.662 --> 01:00:29.596
be placed on the resident.
Really his

01:00:31.399 --> 01:00:33.399
own lot with the contact

01:00:35.503 --> 01:00:37.470
content that the flag speak
open for the expression of

01:00:39.339 --> 01:00:41.674
individual opinions. Now it
was advertised that put this to
the phrase regardless of

01:00:43.443 --> 01:00:45.443
content in the air. Because

01:00:46.514 --> 01:00:48.514
notice me that the propose

01:00:48.850 --> 01:00:51.117
flags and the
flags. Those May because room
to rent go to Joe's pizza

01:00:53.654 --> 01:00:55.654
parlor 2 miles south and Hunter

01:00:58.250 --> 01:00:59.625
Mill Road. What is the recourse
for the h o a or a Jason

01:01:01.662 --> 01:01:03.196
neighbor who agrees that
expression content of the

01:01:04.399 --> 01:01:05.899
flag negatively impacts the
residential character of

01:01:07.502 --> 01:01:09.350
established residential
neighborhoods.

01:01:13.207 --> 01:01:15.207
Is it correct that staff do not

01:01:17.244 --> 01:01:19.244
have to if our

01:01:19.246 --> 01:01:21.716
8 o k Kevin is its neighbors or
object to the impact imposed by

01:01:21.716 --> 01:01:23.716
the new ordinance that what's

01:01:27.922 --> 01:01:29.256
the recourse? And I think staff
said something

01:01:30.324 --> 01:01:32.826
been privately in force.
And I guess that means maybe
staff can explain what it

01:01:35.290 --> 01:01:36.763
means. But I guess that means
that if there

01:01:38.833 --> 01:01:40.501
is recourse, the at the the
neighbors or the

01:01:44.672 --> 01:01:46.173
has is the one who bears the
financial burden. Going

01:01:48.109 --> 01:01:50.109
to court, not Fairfax County

01:01:52.413 --> 01:01:54.470
planning and development.
If 3 home-based business owners

01:01:54.716 --> 01:01:56.716
want to place a flag pole with

01:01:58.720 --> 01:02:01.522
2 plaques with every touch and
the businesses. I would be

01:02:02.490 --> 01:02:04.570
interested in understanding
what criteria staff will use

01:02:09.563 --> 01:02:12.310
him picking the one flats co 2.
Great Falls folks. Frank Sesno

01:02:14.102 --> 01:02:17.380
in controlling pitch will
platter along

01:02:17.380 --> 01:02:19.380
Georgetown Pike from byways and

01:02:19.307 --> 01:02:21.508
national Registry of Historic
Places preserving protecting

01:02:23.711 --> 01:02:25.112
and enhancing the scenic resort
us and

01:02:27.181 --> 01:02:29.181
the byways and the historic

01:02:29.283 --> 01:02:32.219
quarter's
are crucial. Reed is an
official intrusions that impact

01:02:34.222 --> 01:02:36.222
of this to and you shares of

01:02:39.930 --> 01:02:41.930
the historic Carter are super

01:02:45.133 --> 01:02:46.666
important. The flagpole.
That permit unlimited flag

01:02:48.370 --> 01:02:49.870
poles being installed at the
border Mill road is not

01:02:51.673 --> 01:02:54.374
compatible with preserving the
scenic

01:02:55.276 --> 01:02:56.877
resource in transit qualities
of the Hunter Mill Road court.

01:02:58.946 --> 01:03:00.946
Granted. I don't expect 50% of

01:03:01.820 --> 01:03:03.820
the single-family some.

01:03:03.518 --> 01:03:05.821
To install a flagpole in their
front yard know. I do. I expect

01:03:05.821 --> 01:03:07.821
50% of the home based

01:03:08.323 --> 01:03:09.924
businesses to use a flagpole
to advertise their commercial

01:03:11.593 --> 01:03:13.593
uses in a residential

01:03:13.695 --> 01:03:16.300
neighborhood.
How many of the picket fences
or 6 foot rail fences along

01:03:21.690 --> 01:03:23.237
Hunter Mill Road. We'll have
play it flagpoles mounted on
the fences with a height limit

01:03:24.973 --> 01:03:27.842
the from the ground from the
front.
Its height. What is missing

01:03:29.644 --> 01:03:31.644
from staff discussion about

01:03:32.781 --> 01:03:35.250
the flagpole zoning ordinance
is how staff would regulate

01:03:35.250 --> 01:03:37.250
how many flagpoles can be

01:03:37.852 --> 01:03:39.119
placed on a single family.
So not in

01:03:41.900 --> 01:03:42.523
the neighborhood along the
corridor are inside

01:03:44.426 --> 01:03:46.260
that neighborhood commissioner
ulfelder we
were participants. You are

01:03:47.596 --> 01:03:50.320
participants in the efforts.
A

01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:52.320
great fall folks who

01:03:53.100 --> 01:03:54.635
successfully placed Georgetown
a national Registry of Historic

01:03:57.600 --> 01:03:59.600
Places. We were expecting ask

01:04:00.509 --> 01:04:02.509
and. Other commissions that

01:04:04.546 --> 01:04:06.681
protection.
That you protected in a fight

01:04:06.782 --> 01:04:08.182
in Trenton qualities seen it
features and other

01:04:09.851 --> 01:04:11.318
characteristics of designated
by weigh-in quarters.

01:04:12.854 --> 01:04:14.388
Planning commissioners. We ask
that you didn't. I. And we

01:04:15.558 --> 01:04:17.558
appreciate the fact that you

01:04:18.560 --> 01:04:20.560
prefer that us decision until

01:04:21.830 --> 01:04:23.464
February 24. There needs to be
further refinement. The

01:04:25.500 --> 01:04:27.500
retirement of the zoning

01:04:28.370 --> 01:04:30.938
ordinance in order
to preserve single family
residential neighborhoods there

01:04:32.441 --> 01:04:34.342
needs to be further refinement
of the

01:04:36.478 --> 01:04:38.513
zoning ordinance that permit
that would permit unknown
numbers up flagpoles in

01:04:39.748 --> 01:04:41.748
established residential

01:04:42.718 --> 01:04:44.819
neighborhoods.
And among the Byway in the
Hunter Mill Road. Thank you

01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:47.200
very much for the opportunity

01:04:48.123 --> 01:04:50.123
to speak Bennett.

01:04:51.460 --> 01:04:53.460
>> Thank you very much.

01:04:54.530 --> 01:04:56.364
The last list and she told her
yes, Mister
Just Gardner.

01:05:00.102 --> 01:05:02.102
>> Thank you, Mister Chairman,

01:05:04.106 --> 01:05:06.600
as the number of questions, I
think we've heard repeated by

01:05:08.110 --> 01:05:10.110
others. This evening. I would

01:05:10.212 --> 01:05:12.212
like staff has a

01:05:13.282 --> 01:05:15.284
subsequent to this this if you
receiving as we

01:05:15.284 --> 01:05:17.284
consider the and he just as we

01:05:17.820 --> 01:05:19.820
might want to make to what

01:05:20.489 --> 01:05:22.560
staff
as opposed. But I would ask

01:05:24.627 --> 01:05:26.627
that to a specific question.

01:05:27.697 --> 01:05:29.697
That's the. Does does that

01:05:29.865 --> 01:05:32.168
violate as
a nation or in this case,

01:05:32.168 --> 01:05:34.350
perhaps an historic overlay.
The district. Does that have

01:05:37.940 --> 01:05:39.940
any implication for application

01:05:41.430 --> 01:05:43.430
of this portion of design or

01:05:48.651 --> 01:05:51.586
this. The sign ordinance.
>> This carbon emissions.
So it's with in a historic
overlay district. I believe

01:05:52.621 --> 01:05:54.621
that it would be subject to

01:05:57.326 --> 01:06:00.940
regulation.
Or the regulations of that

01:06:00.363 --> 01:06:01.897
specific overlay. The problem
that she probably face it.

01:06:02.465 --> 01:06:04.599
We didn't touch base with our
heritage resources staff

01:06:06.636 --> 01:06:08.636
earlier today ask about

01:06:09.438 --> 01:06:11.306
Georgetown Pike
we don't have any. You should,

01:06:13.375 --> 01:06:15.375
of course a lot of the roadway

01:06:16.678 --> 01:06:18.678
and the resource.

01:06:19.782 --> 01:06:22.718
If the actual road bad, that
would probably don't have

01:06:22.985 --> 01:06:24.553
any jurisdiction. There.
And, you know, I will I will

01:06:26.389 --> 01:06:28.389
acknowledge that. What is that?

01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:32.930
>> especially she's correct
that we have to be content

01:06:34.698 --> 01:06:36.698
neutral in our live regular

01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:39.902
Asians. And so we can't.
Can't read it. What it says

01:06:40.837 --> 01:06:42.404
that somebody could advertise
a commercial purpose. Other

01:06:45.875 --> 01:06:47.875
residential lot. That's why

01:06:49.678 --> 01:06:51.546
all today. You could
fly any height could be

01:06:52.682 --> 01:06:55.617
anywhere in your front yard.
You're limited to 3, but
otherwise we have no

01:06:56.386 --> 01:06:57.953
regulations today. So that's
why we're here before you to

01:06:59.522 --> 01:07:01.522
try to bring some regulations

01:07:02.292 --> 01:07:04.292
to the zoning ordinance.

01:07:04.927 --> 01:07:06.927
>> So it so the concern for,

01:07:07.263 --> 01:07:09.263
for example, the 100 mil.

01:07:10.300 --> 01:07:12.300
His story by way of. Can you

01:07:13.370 --> 01:07:15.370
that the concerns have been

01:07:15.472 --> 01:07:17.390
expressed
in power. Should our today a

01:07:18.641 --> 01:07:20.641
concern because there's nothing

01:07:21.344 --> 01:07:22.944
that controls.
>> what goes on. I don't know

01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.481
road all those who took the
flags and

01:07:28.585 --> 01:07:30.585
so on. So I guess one point and

01:07:32.188 --> 01:07:34.188
but the other point in

01:07:35.725 --> 01:07:37.725
if there's any.

01:07:38.795 --> 01:07:40.795
What does a historic overlay

01:07:40.863 --> 01:07:42.164
district if that were to
be achieved.

01:07:43.966 --> 01:07:45.968
>> The that is start have its
own set of regulations
specific too. For example,

01:07:51.741 --> 01:07:53.741
flags that your point on that.

01:07:54.144 --> 01:07:55.744
>> I think to play on external,
not patients to have to go for

01:07:57.313 --> 01:07:59.313
the architectural review board.

01:08:02.319 --> 01:08:04.319
But the start of early

01:08:05.455 --> 01:08:08.291
>> mission questions to pose to
this them. The

01:08:08.291 --> 01:08:10.859
values public. He spoke
testimonies to get some
insights that we want to buy of

01:08:12.328 --> 01:08:14.328
a person was not a wide Web.

01:08:17.300 --> 01:08:19.603
So thank you.
>> Anyway. I yeah, I think

01:08:19.603 --> 01:08:21.704
that is.
>> I don't think there's any
historic overlay district

01:08:23.307 --> 01:08:25.307
addresses. The issue of flag

01:08:28.345 --> 01:08:30.646
poles Pacific.
So the only question would you
want to harm and raised which

01:08:32.148 --> 01:08:34.148
is that somebody was one put a

01:08:34.184 --> 01:08:35.951
flag
pole in what they have to go to

01:08:37.870 --> 01:08:38.521
the a r p because e a r p said
no, that cold is not

01:08:40.491 --> 01:08:42.892
appropriate as the size or
location.

01:08:45.128 --> 01:08:46.996
In this particular historic
overlay district.

01:08:48.165 --> 01:08:50.165
That would be the only way you

01:08:51.268 --> 01:08:53.435
would be able to address it.
I think that's

01:08:55.500 --> 01:08:56.506
that's tough. As for Georgetown
high, which is neck. The

01:08:58.108 --> 01:09:00.108
National Register of Historic

01:09:00.878 --> 01:09:02.512
Places.
And I think 100 has been deemed

01:09:04.140 --> 01:09:06.140
eligible for listing on the

01:09:06.416 --> 01:09:08.170
National register.
I I I look I don't try to work

01:09:12.556 --> 01:09:14.591
with staff because I think.
While the road there.

01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:18.260
First time I was one of the

01:09:20.564 --> 01:09:22.310
store features. There also,
is he character of the

01:09:23.767 --> 01:09:25.767
surrounding area and the view

01:09:28.204 --> 01:09:29.738
ship from.
Georgetown. I are factors

01:09:31.175 --> 01:09:33.175
its designation and I I think

01:09:33.177 --> 01:09:35.177
there is some grounds for

01:09:36.280 --> 01:09:38.280
trying to make an exception

01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:50.920
for situations like that.

01:09:51.162 --> 01:09:53.263
Everything is quiet. What
happened.

01:09:55.799 --> 01:09:57.799
We have one more state speaker.

01:09:58.869 --> 01:10:00.570
I thought you're waiting for
Nancy.

01:10:02.500 --> 01:10:04.500
I'm sorry, field. I think yeah,

01:10:04.942 --> 01:10:06.942
give me an answer. It.

01:10:08.790 --> 01:10:10.448
>> In the evening. Or would it
can you hear me?

01:10:10.448 --> 01:10:12.448
>> Yes, you're 5 minutes,

01:10:15.619 --> 01:10:17.619
please identify so for the

01:10:17.921 --> 01:10:20.323
record. Thank you.
>> Good evening. Term are being
commissioners. My name done

01:10:20.857 --> 01:10:22.857
Heimer and I look at one.

01:10:24.996 --> 01:10:26.996
'05. '05. When Terry drive in

01:10:27.765 --> 01:10:29.765
Vienna, Virginia within the

01:10:29.900 --> 01:10:31.900
boundaries of the hunters

01:10:31.969 --> 01:10:33.937
Valley decide the Division I
wouldn't is accessed the Hunter

01:10:36.340 --> 01:10:38.340
Mill Road, which is a historic

01:10:39.410 --> 01:10:41.912
Virginia by away as just
described before me

01:10:43.147 --> 01:10:45.716
Getty testimony. I am also a
member of the 100 mil defense

01:10:45.716 --> 01:10:47.716
which is this is an

01:10:47.952 --> 01:10:49.952
organization that strives to

01:10:51.889 --> 01:10:54.900
protect the integrity no red
status as a Virginian by way of
here. And I ask you to defer

01:10:54.992 --> 01:10:56.492
this land use category for
further review because I

01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:00.960
believe that.

01:11:00.832 --> 01:11:02.832
>> Language should

01:11:03.835 --> 01:11:05.369
be added. To include within
the flags and weigel's use

01:11:07.905 --> 01:11:10.600
regulation that prohibits their
use on is that lot line or

01:11:11.142 --> 01:11:13.142
straight line and or where the

01:11:14.112 --> 01:11:16.914
President Replied poll would
be built go by passes 5 than

01:11:17.982 --> 01:11:20.884
any grows like this in the
Virginia Fairfax County.

01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:23.520
That is designated as seen in

01:11:24.155 --> 01:11:26.155
this story. And or Virginia by

01:11:27.191 --> 01:11:30.160
plan b.
I made this request yesterday

01:11:30.261 --> 01:11:32.797
the e-mail you be able to
reference the beautiful
pictures connected to an

01:11:32.797 --> 01:11:34.797
article entitled 6 beautiful

01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:38.168
scenic drive near Washington,
d c which is just one of the

01:11:39.470 --> 01:11:41.400
many articles you can find
promoting. Are you need to

01:11:42.373 --> 01:11:44.700
story read these roads are
beautiful and the story some in

01:11:45.476 --> 01:11:47.430
northern Virginia are
classified as scenic byways.

01:11:50.749 --> 01:11:52.918
Others are Virginia byways like
No road. The email also
included a clipped in the age

01:11:52.918 --> 01:11:54.918
of one of the pages from the

01:11:54.986 --> 01:11:56.986
National Register of Historic

01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.124
Places registration forms that
was submitted by

01:12:00.124 --> 01:12:02.124
Georgetown Pike within the

01:12:03.940 --> 01:12:04.928
justification for this historic
bread be accepted to the

01:12:07.320 --> 01:12:09.320
National register. They're

01:12:09.167 --> 01:12:10.935
contributing resources and
9 contributing resources and

01:12:13.838 --> 01:12:15.472
those are and detail the impact
of the visual experience that's

01:12:15.974 --> 01:12:17.974
associated with use of the

01:12:19.430 --> 01:12:21.430
historical in scenic roadways.

01:12:22.113 --> 01:12:24.949
The threat these resources both
contributing and

01:12:25.918 --> 01:12:28.180
non contributing. Ultimately
either maintain or detract from

01:12:29.821 --> 01:12:31.422
the overall integrity of the
driving cycling walking and or

01:12:33.324 --> 01:12:35.324
riding experience provided by

01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:38.328
these protected rights.
If there are no restrictions of

01:12:39.297 --> 01:12:41.767
the placement of flags implied
poles along the front lot line,

01:12:41.767 --> 01:12:43.301
a street line or even in
locations that May not be

01:12:44.870 --> 01:12:47.371
fronting the red but due to
the wide
polled high size of the flag

01:12:50.909 --> 01:12:52.810
and possibly even simply due
to lightning the flag to do

01:12:53.945 --> 01:12:56.130
that. In the view shed those
attempting to utilize these

01:12:58.820 --> 01:13:00.820
protective read in order to

01:13:01.954 --> 01:13:04.550
experience the view from
the right. Therefore in

01:13:04.890 --> 01:13:06.890
appropriately placed flags

01:13:06.910 --> 01:13:07.692
allowed to death on both
private and public land within

01:13:09.961 --> 01:13:11.695
that you should be should be
read. But most definitely be

01:13:15.567 --> 01:13:18.503
classified as 9 contributing
and detracting and could
ultimately even contribute to

01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:23.600
their disqualification from

01:13:24.900 --> 01:13:26.711
their value protect data.
The historic said today's
considered and often referenced
during a special exception

01:13:28.246 --> 01:13:30.214
application to make sure
setbacks

01:13:31.215 --> 01:13:32.983
and plantings she'll do use of
the proposed development from

01:13:35.870 --> 01:13:37.822
the view. A passing motorist to
ensure it is harmonious.

01:13:39.892 --> 01:13:42.827
>> With neighboring property as
well as the
historic red flags and wide

01:13:44.896 --> 01:13:46.896
poll should be considered

01:13:47.650 --> 01:13:49.666
similarly or
their impact. But I can also
be distracted. And the fact

01:13:51.737 --> 01:13:53.737
that the flag attract attention

01:13:53.773 --> 01:13:56.574
to them, which is what
people want but could also add

01:13:58.677 --> 01:14:00.678
the unsafe driving conditions
on these drugs that are

01:14:02.614 --> 01:14:05.583
described as rolling winding
and narrow which also
unfortunately translates into

01:14:07.719 --> 01:14:09.889
red with driving conditions
that have no shoulders no

01:14:09.889 --> 01:14:11.889
medians with many line of sight

01:14:12.391 --> 01:14:14.763
issues and intersections report
safety ratings.

01:14:14.763 --> 01:14:16.763
>> There are also many trails

01:14:17.896 --> 01:14:19.896
and often right alongside the

01:14:20.320 --> 01:14:22.467
route to the historic red.
The safety concerns should be

01:14:22.467 --> 01:14:24.680
for trail users and in our
neighborhood that includes the

01:14:26.606 --> 01:14:29.275
question riders to as well as
these roads. I appreciate your

01:14:29.275 --> 01:14:31.275
time tonight and hope that you

01:14:32.278 --> 01:14:34.278
will defer this amendment to

01:14:35.114 --> 01:14:37.282
allow for a complete review and
discussion of flags by hold
negative impact to its unique

01:14:38.750 --> 01:14:40.985
historic in Virginia by Lynn,
thank you.
>> Thank you very much. That

01:14:42.387 --> 01:14:44.155
concludes our list of speakers.
Is there anyone else in the
queue.

01:14:48.127 --> 01:14:49.661
>> Yes, we have carrying the
cave. Scary. Kerry mccabe,

01:14:51.230 --> 01:14:53.230
Kerry mccabe plays. You have

01:14:55.901 --> 01:14:57.901
3minutes.

01:14:57.903 --> 01:14:59.903
>> okay. Yeah, hi. Managed care

01:15:00.505 --> 01:15:02.730
of the kid lose in Alexandria
and then we I'm representing

01:15:04.100 --> 01:15:06.100
myself as a homeowner who does

01:15:07.613 --> 01:15:10.148
only for students
like full.
A homeowners Association of the
best person for that. We've had

01:15:11.650 --> 01:15:13.650
to deal with like all issues

01:15:14.753 --> 01:15:16.287
I'll be very brief because I
know time is running out.

01:15:19.826 --> 01:15:22.328
I disagree with article for
is c, which is the limit on

01:15:22.328 --> 01:15:24.328
this height of the flagpoles

01:15:25.431 --> 01:15:27.431
in single family. Dwelling was

01:15:28.501 --> 01:15:30.703
only to flip edge. I say this
specifically because

01:15:30.703 --> 01:15:32.703
I bought much like cool to not

01:15:32.838 --> 01:15:34.838
have out flags to the side of

01:15:35.707 --> 01:15:37.342
my house and I have what's
known as a yard are more lives.

01:15:38.978 --> 01:15:41.680
It's like to fly up 3 flags.
If I

01:15:41.948 --> 01:15:43.582
wanted to being retired
military both my wife and I, we

01:15:44.183 --> 01:15:46.183
spire service flags along with

01:15:48.320 --> 01:15:50.221
the U.S. Flag periodically on
special occasions and what that

01:15:50.890 --> 01:15:52.890
what that means. They don't

01:15:53.693 --> 01:15:55.693
have to penetrate side of my

01:15:56.629 --> 01:15:58.629
house with sprucing things for.

01:16:00.701 --> 01:16:02.701
Flags that I would not normally

01:16:03.336 --> 01:16:04.803
use. So I would like to the
number of flags for a

01:16:07.306 --> 01:16:08.940
single-family dwelling be
increased from 2 to potentially

01:16:10.476 --> 01:16:12.945
up to 4 week would probably be
reasonable to
coming on the type of flag

01:16:14.314 --> 01:16:15.948
poles in the different
components that you have on its

01:16:18.384 --> 01:16:20.384
I don't think the board is

01:16:21.354 --> 01:16:22.954
taking a lok at seems like
yard arms or gaps which you're

01:16:25.358 --> 01:16:26.992
on some play in, allow you to
slide multiple flag. So I think

01:16:29.529 --> 01:16:32.640
you need to relook that issue
there a little bit. I think one

01:16:33.967 --> 01:16:35.967
of these 2 flags pretty well.

01:16:36.236 --> 01:16:38.236
It is is the tricky bit

01:16:39.339 --> 01:16:41.339
overkill. The other issue I had

01:16:42.308 --> 01:16:44.442
was the height of the flagpole.
A little as 25 feet. My house

01:16:45.211 --> 01:16:47.211
session on top of the hill.

01:16:48.140 --> 01:16:50.816
And I have a 25 looks like
cold. It looks taller visually
the actually is it's it's 24

01:16:52.352 --> 01:16:54.352
feet tall with one side or

01:16:57.376 --> 01:17:00.225
something in the ground.
But in lot's, I know from from
around my inch away here.

01:17:00.993 --> 01:17:03.429
There are people who would like
to put us like Colin, but the

01:17:03.429 --> 01:17:05.310
place where they would install
it is lower than their house.

01:17:07.300 --> 01:17:09.668
And so they might need
additional cyber to unseat to
get the poll to look at

01:17:10.937 --> 01:17:12.838
Stickley appropriate for that
particular lot. So I'd like you

01:17:14.907 --> 01:17:16.907
to take that into

01:17:17.644 --> 01:17:19.244
consideration, too.
The piece of this that I want

01:17:21.648 --> 01:17:24.283
to make note is that I was off
the route one. We have some
businesses. There was some

01:17:26.386 --> 01:17:28.386
very, very tall slide polls.

01:17:29.256 --> 01:17:30.856
And in
large flags is this the change

01:17:32.392 --> 01:17:34.860
comes in for businesses and
things
like that. I'm wondering if you

01:17:36.829 --> 01:17:38.829
guys can grandfather rooms,

01:17:39.900 --> 01:17:42.235
those older flag poles for for
the businesses or or
homes. Even because the home

01:17:43.837 --> 01:17:46.739
owner of the business but is
put the money into
that saying I don't think it's

01:17:48.274 --> 01:17:50.274
fair that you you know, as a to

01:17:50.910 --> 01:17:52.910
folks like told what you say

01:17:53.980 --> 01:17:56.283
it has been removed for 60
footer
just because the that's what

01:17:56.283 --> 01:17:58.283
the county wants. You. And I

01:18:02.422 --> 01:18:05.157
don't think that's very fair.
>> I want to go ahead and wrap

01:18:05.158 --> 01:18:07.293
up here. Does anybody is
anybody has any questions of
the b 2 entertain. Now, it's

01:18:08.428 --> 01:18:10.663
not all that you guys going
to really.
>> ok. Thank you very much.

01:18:12.265 --> 01:18:14.868
There. Any question is really a
speaker. Okay. Thank you.

01:18:16.937 --> 01:18:18.937
Is there anyone else? Yes, we

01:18:20.700 --> 01:18:21.274
had just that Johnston on
the fence.

01:18:23.110 --> 01:18:25.110
>> You know, like this is going

01:18:25.245 --> 01:18:27.245
to

01:18:28.281 --> 01:18:30.281
of the last question with

01:18:31.352 --> 01:18:32.652
regard to holding over. The
existing

01:18:34.722 --> 01:18:36.722
flag pole. Innovation to a

01:18:37.324 --> 01:18:39.324
change in

01:18:43.563 --> 01:18:45.563
the ordinance. What we can on

01:18:46.966 --> 01:18:48.966
is there a is there some

01:18:50.370 --> 01:18:52.370
expectation that we May change

01:18:52.839 --> 01:18:54.473
it is existing 5 told
us not conformed does that does

01:18:55.275 --> 01:18:57.443
the owner of that fact will
then have to adjust.

01:18:59.546 --> 01:19:01.546
>> To me to be new.

01:19:03.149 --> 01:19:05.985
>> Requirements.
>> Sure. So the lack of a

01:19:07.121 --> 01:19:09.255
system like foles would be
included under provisions
relating to previous approval

01:19:11.125 --> 01:19:13.726
section of that, Sir. And
thanks for one of our team
might draft. And so what this

01:19:16.830 --> 01:19:19.633
black legally lawfully existing
to me they can also take a look

01:19:19.633 --> 01:19:21.200
at what will be taking a look
at the language to allow the

01:19:22.736 --> 01:19:24.736
flags themselves to remain as

01:19:27.241 --> 01:19:28.742
well.
>> Next, speaker. Please

01:19:30.311 --> 01:19:32.311
identify. So for the record,

01:19:32.813 --> 01:19:34.813
you have 3 minutes.

01:19:35.883 --> 01:19:37.883
>> Good evening. Cay Johnston.

01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:41.187
I reside at one part
2, 0, 5, but we're dry so
Virginia Tech and put into the

01:19:44.458 --> 01:19:46.293
local ale. Been talking as a
private citizen. Well, I don't

01:19:46.894 --> 01:19:48.428
disagree that we need some
regulations as relates to

01:19:50.300 --> 01:19:52.300
players Bible. I think we're

01:19:52.233 --> 01:19:54.867
overreaching
a bit. But I think that
concerns me most is the
unintended consequences of your

01:19:56.203 --> 01:19:58.203
actions that are being

01:19:58.540 --> 01:20:00.140
proposed.
So far. You've elected to set

01:20:02.110 --> 01:20:04.178
limits on the size and type
of a flag relation to

01:20:04.178 --> 01:20:06.413
a lot. You also decide you read
like regulate the time place in

01:20:08.516 --> 01:20:11.117
the matter was the flag May
be set.

01:20:13.187 --> 01:20:15.187
But your car, the guide is a 25

01:20:17.258 --> 01:20:19.927
foot
flag pole could contain
a flood of 24 4 square feet.
Normally that would be a flag

01:20:21.829 --> 01:20:23.330
of a 4 by 6 with 3 by 5.
But it could

01:20:25.433 --> 01:20:28.368
also contain a flag that has
one foot by 24 p.
There was nothing would be

01:20:29.300 --> 01:20:31.300
there to prevent from doing

01:20:32.106 --> 01:20:34.475
that or any other type of
faithful and play.

01:20:35.343 --> 01:20:37.578
Some of the other things that
you haven't considered it just
opened the door up again to fly

01:20:39.547 --> 01:20:41.547
the Confederate flag. Well,

01:20:42.617 --> 01:20:44.685
I don't agree the Confederate
flag to be flown in the open.

01:20:44.685 --> 01:20:46.219
There is a possibility in the
most likely. What is that?

01:20:47.210 --> 01:20:49.210
We will have people that want

01:20:50.160 --> 01:20:52.494
to fly the Confederate flag.
And it was
also flying. It's mentioned

01:20:52.494 --> 01:20:54.494
before flying flags of other

01:20:55.630 --> 01:20:57.264
countries. Some of those other
countries might
not be favorable to the United

01:20:59.333 --> 01:21:01.368
States what would prevent
somebody from flying the

01:21:03.137 --> 01:21:04.738
Russian flag a South Korean
put the heart of North Korean

01:21:06.700 --> 01:21:08.408
flag of it makes blood or
flying any other flight of the

01:21:08.510 --> 01:21:10.110
country. What we don't have
direct relationships with all

01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:14.114
of that. Somebody from flying
us play upside down.

01:21:16.117 --> 01:21:18.285
Everyone knows that that's a
sign of distress. There's a
things have been going around

01:21:21.550 --> 01:21:22.589
these last couple of weeks.
There is no one who would

01:21:24.192 --> 01:21:26.361
believe that that couldn't
possibly happen.

01:21:26.361 --> 01:21:28.361
I think is a addict is an issue

01:21:30.565 --> 01:21:32.733
that needs to be taken into
consideration. I see that e

01:21:34.168 --> 01:21:36.168
that is the staff is looking

01:21:37.272 --> 01:21:38.739
at reverses Gilbert, but this
reverses Gilbert apply

01:21:40.441 --> 01:21:43.900
specifically indirectly to
flags. I know. Look like
the signs, but does it

01:21:44.713 --> 01:21:46.247
specifically and directly apply
to flanked. I believe this

01:21:47.816 --> 01:21:49.350
thinking that her patient.
I haven't read the legal.

01:21:50.252 --> 01:21:51.785
Opinion. But I'm wondering,
have you got to the league

01:21:53.321 --> 01:21:55.321
office. There are asked them

01:21:56.124 --> 01:21:57.658
whether or not that's a happy
occasion against assange.

01:21:58.426 --> 01:22:00.426
Yeah. I wish it could take a

01:22:01.530 --> 01:22:03.530
good hard look at this. Dhl is

01:22:03.899 --> 01:22:06.133
going to be in
jeopardy again of being of
having regulations being put in

01:22:07.836 --> 01:22:10.404
place an empty train and the
kind of o'connor some of these

01:22:10.739 --> 01:22:13.340
regulations are being put in
place. That's all I know.

01:22:15.443 --> 01:22:17.443
>> Thank you very much. Is

01:22:19.381 --> 01:22:21.381
there anyone else?

01:22:21.884 --> 01:22:24.510
No more callers. Okay.
Thank you very much. That
concludes our list of speakers.

01:22:25.153 --> 01:22:27.153
Are there any questions from

01:22:28.623 --> 01:22:30.623
the commission.

01:22:30.859 --> 01:22:32.859
More questions.

01:22:33.962 --> 01:22:35.629
>> Mister, quick clarifying
question.

01:22:37.699 --> 01:22:39.800
Earlier there was a test point
with

01:22:41.903 --> 01:22:43.903
regard to. The setback in

01:22:45.140 --> 01:22:47.140
relation to the right way.

01:22:47.309 --> 01:22:49.744
Just to me to make sure
I understand it is the 5th.

01:22:49.744 --> 01:22:51.312
If, for example, this is a 5
foot setback from the right

01:22:52.480 --> 01:22:54.480
of way. It from the property

01:22:58.387 --> 01:22:59.987
line.
>> That that would be the same

01:23:01.623 --> 01:23:03.623
thing. The property and the

01:23:05.827 --> 01:23:07.428
right of my
>> Okay. So the

01:23:09.731 --> 01:23:11.731
that's probably obvious.

01:23:17.500 --> 01:23:19.500
But if if you're.

01:23:19.141 --> 01:23:20.741
I so right away because it does
it right away we're overlaying

01:23:23.211 --> 01:23:25.211
you're probably not over and

01:23:25.914 --> 01:23:27.448
try it. Jason Turner.
But your property. It's a

01:23:28.651 --> 01:23:30.850
separate ownership's. Okay.
I got it. Thank you.

01:23:31.921 --> 01:23:33.921
>> Okay. Closing comments from

01:23:35.824 --> 01:23:37.392
staff.
>> Mister Chairman just one

01:23:40.662 --> 01:23:42.296
call that I know that we heard
a lot today about you know, but

01:23:42.998 --> 01:23:44.998
the types of flagged content

01:23:48.700 --> 01:23:50.700
neutrality. And I went back

01:23:51.140 --> 01:23:53.140
welcome little bit further and

01:23:54.843 --> 01:23:56.843
all the love

01:23:57.790 --> 01:23:58.679
of the re first overt Supreme
Court The First Amendment, you

01:24:00.348 --> 01:24:02.683
know that people have a right
to free
speech. So whether a fine or a

01:24:04.287 --> 01:24:06.287
flag and that kind of wear.

01:24:07.356 --> 01:24:09.824
What we're looking at here are
as

01:24:12.227 --> 01:24:14.227
a whole. Content neutral

01:24:15.330 --> 01:24:17.632
provision been so again to
reiterate that one of
the game. Well, we're talking

01:24:19.401 --> 01:24:21.401
about a fine ornaments. One of

01:24:22.705 --> 01:24:24.673
the things that.
We talk about over and over and

01:24:24.774 --> 01:24:26.774
over again. And trying to

01:24:26.809 --> 01:24:28.809
wrestle with these issues.

01:24:29.879 --> 01:24:31.879
I because we care regulate the

01:24:32.982 --> 01:24:34.982
content. You know, then you

01:24:36.510 --> 01:24:38.488
have to look at, ok.
5 location. Number.

01:24:38.488 --> 01:24:40.488
To minimize the impact because

01:24:41.190 --> 01:24:43.190
the last speaker is correct.

01:24:45.261 --> 01:24:47.396
You know, somebody May want
to lie the.

01:24:47.396 --> 01:24:49.396
And as I said earlier, the

01:24:50.320 --> 01:24:52.320
Confederate flag the American

01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:59.174
pie. If you do not fly that.
That's going to You know, I
would know we don't get a lot

01:25:00.176 --> 01:25:02.176
of playfulness. We've had a

01:25:03.546 --> 01:25:05.546
few.

01:25:06.382 --> 01:25:08.550
So, you know, I'm hopeful that
this isn't going to know red
band and all. But I think, you

01:25:10.819 --> 01:25:12.854
know, we would be remiss if
we didn't. At

01:25:16.590 --> 01:25:17.693
look at this and put some kind
of regulation and I guess as we

01:25:19.128 --> 01:25:20.695
do with everything as we move
forward with that you know,

01:25:24.713 --> 01:25:27.502
we'll take into consideration
some of the. Issues that were

01:25:30.607 --> 01:25:32.607
raised this evening. But.

01:25:33.676 --> 01:25:35.676
It always back and. Address it

01:25:35.879 --> 01:25:38.547
or if we need to.
All. I have to say for this at

01:25:40.616 --> 01:25:42.784
this point. Ok, thank you very
much.
The term.

01:25:48.125 --> 01:25:50.125
>> Yes, Mister Just Gessner.

01:25:51.194 --> 01:25:53.729
>> I just have to just stay for
at least for the
person lying. I hope. But the

01:25:54.397 --> 01:25:56.397
goodness that we find a way

01:25:57.467 --> 01:25:59.467
to you. He's an American flag

01:25:59.602 --> 01:26:01.602
from.

01:26:02.672 --> 01:26:04.672
Any any suggestion that it's

01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:06.840
comfortable.

01:26:09.879 --> 01:26:11.914
In. I understand the content
issue, but it. I think

01:26:15.785 --> 01:26:17.785
it's is it's the in these times

01:26:18.988 --> 01:26:20.889
where. As a country.
It's important to our

01:26:22.240 --> 01:26:24.240
symbols matter. I just hope

01:26:28.531 --> 01:26:31.330
between the American flag at
Anyone else.
>> Public areas close

01:26:32.635 --> 01:26:34.102
recognizes to sergeant
commissioner Sargeant.

01:26:37.400 --> 01:26:39.400
>> Thank you, Mister Chairman.

01:26:39.642 --> 01:26:41.911
I would like to thank
everyone who testified to seat,
including our of questions from

01:26:43.313 --> 01:26:44.547
our planning commissioners as
well for

01:26:46.616 --> 01:26:49.385
some very. Thoughtful and
heartfelt
we need to take time to

01:26:50.987 --> 01:26:53.790
consider what we've heard.
So therefore

01:26:53.790 --> 01:26:55.324
Mister Chairman, I move to
defer the decision for the

01:26:56.926 --> 01:26:58.260
proposed changes relating to
flags

01:27:00.464 --> 01:27:02.640
and flagpoles with a February
24th 2021 the record remaining

01:27:05.769 --> 01:27:07.236
open for written testimony.
Second.

01:27:09.272 --> 01:27:11.409
>> Say a man has been is there
discussion of

01:27:11.409 --> 01:27:13.409
the motion. All those in favor

01:27:14.770 --> 01:27:16.278
of the motion to defer this
item flag and flag poles today
certain February 24th for the

01:27:17.648 --> 01:27:19.648
record remaining open for

01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:24.320
written comments say aye.
>> motioned guy.
>> If there's no other business

01:27:25.989 --> 01:27:28.757
before the planning Commission.
We are adjourned as of
8.55 committee meeting tomorrow
night. Thank you all drive

01:27:30.994 --> 01:27:32.994
carefully. We are adjourned.